ipertux Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 Hello i have really bad color banding on sky and sea during night fly. I tried to play with gamma settings in game and with Color settings in Nvidia control panel, color depth is set to RGB 10 bpc, dynamic range set to Max and Gamma in game seto to 2. Any suggestion to mitigate this issue??Already tried with Reshade debanding and with different ICC color profile in windows 11. Thanks in advice. GTX 1660 Ti MSi curve monitor 27" 165 hz 1080p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverdevil Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 (edited) @ipertux i am guessing this is caused by video driver. take note of your settings on this page. post a screen shot. also see what you have here. these are mine. maybe all this needs to be reset to default. GLOBAL SETTINGS page in NCP Edited October 15, 2022 by silverdevil AKA_SilverDevil AKA Forums My YouTube “It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.” — Mark Twain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipertux Posted October 15, 2022 Author Share Posted October 15, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, silverdevil said: @ipertux i am guessing this is caused by video driver. take note of your settings on this page. post a screen shot. also see what you have here. these are mine. maybe all this needs to be reset to default. GLOBAL SETTINGS page in NCP @silverdevil Hello thx for your answer my nvida settings are the same of yours above except for DSR set to off and i use nvidia color settings RGB 10 bpc full dynamic range (i tried with default color setting but still have the same issue) i'm on display port and already tried different cables and different versions (1.2 and 1.4).I recalibrated color monitor different times and tried different ICC profiles and of course HDR ON and HDR OFF ( with HDR off color are less washed out but i get the same banding). Edited October 15, 2022 by ipertux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverdevil Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 @ipertux have you updated nvidia drivers recently? sometimes when this is done the drivers get weird from additional features / settings. take note of what you have and do a reset to defaults. maybe even roll back. AKA_SilverDevil AKA Forums My YouTube “It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.” — Mark Twain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurreth Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 Try removing your monitor profiles entirely and see if that changes things. I've seen some really bad results come out of stock monitor profiles and calibration attempts where weird things happened. If you could attach a copy of your profile that'd be interesting too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipertux Posted October 15, 2022 Author Share Posted October 15, 2022 Thank you Really tried everything i already deleted my ICC profile and tried differents profiles but still have this color banding.I installed differents nvidia driver (everytime deleted using DDU in safe mode). At this point i think is something with the monitor, i know it's a VA panel but i couldn't expect such a color banding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurreth Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 (edited) Do you see the effect yourself on screenshots? (Do you see any banding in the menu screenshot you posted in the first post?) Could you include some screenshots for a side-by-side comparison with the monitor photos? At that point I'd dig through monitor settings and try to run it as close to "ancient" technology as possible, i.e. 8 bit per component (try forcing wherever it's available, graphics driver and monitor settings) no HDR no "gaming features" like e.g. the "night vision mode" that MSI markets on some of its monitors; there also appear to be "gaming modes" that I'd disable, but then again I'm weird. if the monitor has it, sRGB colour profile (will look washed out AF once you're used to wide gamut monitors) Given the manual of the MSI G27C6: Gaming Game Mode "User" Night Vision off Response Time "normal" or "fast" (I hope that doesn't fudge with colour rendition, but who knows) MPRT off (whatever the hell that's supposed to be) Professional Pro Mode "User" Eye Saver off (that will definitely do weird things with colour rendering) HDCR off Anti Motion Blur off Image Enhancement off Image Color Temperature to one of the presets to avoid having some weird effects from a custom white point Edited October 16, 2022 by Laurreth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipertux Posted October 16, 2022 Author Share Posted October 16, 2022 Thanks Really tried everything and played with monitor settings as well to try to solve this issue.If i use the ICC profile that comes with monitor driver the issues is still there. I really don't know what i'm doing wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverdevil Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 2 hours ago, ipertux said: Thanks Really tried everything and played with monitor settings as well to try to solve this issue.If i use the ICC profile that comes with monitor driver the issues is still there. I really don't know what i'm doing wrong. like @Laurreth mentioned Quote Do you see the effect yourself on screenshots? this is a good test. can you try another monitor? AKA_SilverDevil AKA Forums My YouTube “It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.” — Mark Twain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipertux Posted October 16, 2022 Author Share Posted October 16, 2022 i'm not able to test on a different monitor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverdevil Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 22 minutes ago, ipertux said: i'm not able to test on a different monitor Do you see the effect yourself on screenshots? AKA_SilverDevil AKA Forums My YouTube “It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.” — Mark Twain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipertux Posted October 16, 2022 Author Share Posted October 16, 2022 yes i can see the effect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverdevil Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 1 hour ago, ipertux said: yes i can see the effect have a look at this site. http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/ AKA_SilverDevil AKA Forums My YouTube “It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.” — Mark Twain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipertux Posted October 16, 2022 Author Share Posted October 16, 2022 i've already tested and calibrated with Lagom and DisplayCal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurreth Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 On 10/16/2022 at 3:46 PM, ipertux said: yes i can see the effect Can you please post a screenshot with the effect? (I still assume the two pictures in the OP are photos taken off the screen.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipertux Posted October 17, 2022 Author Share Posted October 17, 2022 hello they are pictures taken off the screen to show what's the effect i see. Here you have some screenshot. Thx again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurreth Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 (edited) Those screenshots are almost entirely black, it looks like you're running some crazy brightness boost on that monitor. That would of course introduce extreme banding since colour resolution in those narrow ranges is almost nonexistant. The histogram of the first screenshot looks like this in ACR: You can't really do much brightness boosting with that out of an 8bit source without having a horrible result. Edited October 18, 2022 by Laurreth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverdevil Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Laurreth said: Those screenshots are almost entirely black, it looks like you're running some crazy brightness boost on that monitor. That would of course introduce extreme banding since colour resolution in those narrow ranges is almost nonexistant. The histogram of the first screenshot looks like this in ACR: You can't really do much brightness boosting with that out of an 8bit source without having a horrible result. interesting. are you suggesting that a reset to defaults on the monitor may fix the issue? AKA_SilverDevil AKA Forums My YouTube “It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.” — Mark Twain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipertux Posted October 18, 2022 Author Share Posted October 18, 2022 But from my monitor it doesnt look so black that's why i've posted picture taken from my smartphone to show you what i see on the screen.If i look the screenshot from my laptop they looks so dark but not from my monitor and i still have this banding that ruin the experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurreth Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 (edited) 27 minutes ago, silverdevil said: interesting. are you suggesting that a reset to defaults on the monitor may fix the issue? I'm suggesting that the monitor is set to 100% brightness or some feature like MSI's "Nightvision" that massively overbrightens dark parts and ruins the image. Edited October 18, 2022 by Laurreth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipertux Posted October 18, 2022 Author Share Posted October 18, 2022 When HDR is ON i'm not able to change Nightvision on Osd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverdevil Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 (edited) i am intrigued by this issue. i am certain it is not "directly" a DCS issue. i read some posts about HDR. many mention a PC mode on the display itself. some also mention the windows settings. my display does not do HDR. did you check what you have on this page in NCP? Edited October 18, 2022 by silverdevil AKA_SilverDevil AKA Forums My YouTube “It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.” — Mark Twain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipertux Posted October 18, 2022 Author Share Posted October 18, 2022 here you have the screenshot, if i use "default settings" and not 10 bpc with full dynamic output the banding is worst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustang Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 Also try using Reshade and the deband.fx shader, it does a real good job at alleviating this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipertux Posted October 25, 2022 Author Share Posted October 25, 2022 thx already tried Reshade with both debands shaders but this bad color transition is still there. Really ruin the experience of night flight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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