darkman222 Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 The 2.8 update brought the opposite of VR improvements for my system. On the Pimax I was on smooth 75% occupancy before now I am at stuttery 95% occupancy. Switching to the Varjo Aero I came from relatively smooth 90 fps down to 80 fps or even 75 fps. Same settings I did not change anything except the update. Also it takes a lot longer to display the ground. The water surface is displayed double the amount of time when jumping into a MP server. Dont know if related. Before the update DCS was smooth on the RTX 4090. Now I am back at where I was with the 3090. Please ED do something. Smooth frame rates in VR are more important than pretty looks. Here are my system specs. It really a decent system. null 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supmua Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 (edited) Ouch, there goes my 90 fps dreams. Does this happen with other people too? I thought we were getting VR optimization with this patch. Edited October 28, 2022 by Supmua PC: 5800X3D/4090, 11700K/3090, 9900K/2080Ti. Joystick bases: TMW, VPC WarBRD, MT50CM2, VKB GFII, FSSB R3L Joystick grips: TM (Warthog, F/A-18C), Realsimulator (F-16SGRH, F-18CGRH), VKB (Kosmosima LH, MCG, MCG Pro), VPC MongoosT50-CM2 Throttles: TMW, Winwing Super Taurus, Logitech Throttle Quadrant, Realsimulator Throttle (soon) VR: HTC Vive/Pro, Oculus Rift/Quest 2, Valve Index, Varjo Aero, https://forum.dcs.world/topic/300065-varjo-aero-general-guide-for-new-owners/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WipeUout Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 Drop also here, I am getting 7.5% less performance in my test track. Seems pretty much the same for all aircraft in all terrains. 1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ i9-13900K, RTX 4090, 64GB, ADDLINK S72 2TB, TM WARTHOG COMBO + PENDULAR RUDDER PEDALS, PIMAX 8K X, Sony 5.1 Spks+SubW | DCS OB, A-10C_II, AH-64D, F-14/16/18, F-86F, AV-8B, M-2000C, SA342, Huey, Spitfire, FC3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supmua Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 Need to check whether CPU or GPU frametime is affected, or both. I guess it’s the new weather system with fancy clouds and rainbow, etc. PC: 5800X3D/4090, 11700K/3090, 9900K/2080Ti. Joystick bases: TMW, VPC WarBRD, MT50CM2, VKB GFII, FSSB R3L Joystick grips: TM (Warthog, F/A-18C), Realsimulator (F-16SGRH, F-18CGRH), VKB (Kosmosima LH, MCG, MCG Pro), VPC MongoosT50-CM2 Throttles: TMW, Winwing Super Taurus, Logitech Throttle Quadrant, Realsimulator Throttle (soon) VR: HTC Vive/Pro, Oculus Rift/Quest 2, Valve Index, Varjo Aero, https://forum.dcs.world/topic/300065-varjo-aero-general-guide-for-new-owners/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkman222 Posted October 28, 2022 Author Share Posted October 28, 2022 (edited) It is pretty much GPU frametime. I can see that with fpsVR. I test it with the same missions. Everytime I buy new hardware ( RTX 4090) ED manages to update DCS back to the performance I had on my old hardware. I imagine 2.6 to be a rocket fps wise. Edited October 28, 2022 by darkman222 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IR.Clutch Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 45-15=30 FPS in VR Well done ED 1 i7-11700K 5GHz, 64GB DDR4@3200, ZOTAC RTX4090, iiyama 34 Red Eagle || Quest 3, HP Reverb G2, TrackIR 5 || Orion2 F-16EX Viper Throttle Combo, TM Warthog throttle(button box), Virpil WarBRD+Viper stick, VPC interceptor pedals || TM MFD Cougar pack || F-16C, F-15E, AH-64D | Simshaker Jetpad || F-16 Panels: Landing Gear, CMDS, ICP, Avionics, Sensors, Lighting, Air Cond, HUD, Anti Ice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supmua Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 1 minute ago, darkman222 said: It is pretty much GPU frametime. I can see that with fpsVR That’s better than CPU FT getting hit in my book, there’re a lot you can do to compensate. I’ll mess around tonight. PC: 5800X3D/4090, 11700K/3090, 9900K/2080Ti. Joystick bases: TMW, VPC WarBRD, MT50CM2, VKB GFII, FSSB R3L Joystick grips: TM (Warthog, F/A-18C), Realsimulator (F-16SGRH, F-18CGRH), VKB (Kosmosima LH, MCG, MCG Pro), VPC MongoosT50-CM2 Throttles: TMW, Winwing Super Taurus, Logitech Throttle Quadrant, Realsimulator Throttle (soon) VR: HTC Vive/Pro, Oculus Rift/Quest 2, Valve Index, Varjo Aero, https://forum.dcs.world/topic/300065-varjo-aero-general-guide-for-new-owners/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale1986 Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 I also lost 15 to 20 FPS - unable to get more than 35 FPS on a clean NTTR map 1 Main Module: AH-64D Personal Wishlist: HH-60G, F-117A, B-52H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkman222 Posted October 28, 2022 Author Share Posted October 28, 2022 The thing is, it does not even look different or better. Why do we have that fps drop. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordy Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 (edited) I'm getting comparable performance after the update, on my 3090. But I have tons of stuff turned off to push my framerate up already. I *did* notice some wonky shadows on the bunker hangars ... like the shadow was on top of the bunker, instead of behind it Edited October 28, 2022 by Gordy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supmua Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 Remember also that this is still beta branch. 2 PC: 5800X3D/4090, 11700K/3090, 9900K/2080Ti. Joystick bases: TMW, VPC WarBRD, MT50CM2, VKB GFII, FSSB R3L Joystick grips: TM (Warthog, F/A-18C), Realsimulator (F-16SGRH, F-18CGRH), VKB (Kosmosima LH, MCG, MCG Pro), VPC MongoosT50-CM2 Throttles: TMW, Winwing Super Taurus, Logitech Throttle Quadrant, Realsimulator Throttle (soon) VR: HTC Vive/Pro, Oculus Rift/Quest 2, Valve Index, Varjo Aero, https://forum.dcs.world/topic/300065-varjo-aero-general-guide-for-new-owners/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convexrook Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 Viacom pro is broken too, cannot bring up kneeboard for comms menu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkman222 Posted October 28, 2022 Author Share Posted October 28, 2022 15 minutes ago, Supmua said: That’s better than CPU FT getting hit in my book, there’re a lot you can do to compensate. I’ll mess around tonight. I went back to low on everything. The next thing I can use to compensate is lower the resolution which is a no go for me. I purchased the 4090 for playing in full resolution. And I have been playing in full resolution... BEFORE the update. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willie Nelson Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 I am showing a qualitatively significant frame drop certainly flying in the PG map even with very few clouds, I am regularly down at 30 fps now from previous 45. 1 i7700k OC to 4.8GHz with Noctua NH-U14S (fan) with AORUS RTX2080ti 11GB Waterforce. 32GDDR, Warthog HOTAS and Saitek rudders. HP Reverb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swamp Fox Loader Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 I'll wait a few days to see if they iron this out, but seriously considering a roll back. i7 12700K, RTX 4090, MSI Z690 Carbon WiFi, 32GB x 2 DDR5 5200Mhz Ram, Windows 11, DCS Stand alone, OpenXR Toolkit, Pimax Crystal, Thrustmaster Viper Stick with RealSimulator FSSB-R3 MK II Ultra Base, Winwing Orion 2 10th Anniversary with F-16EX Throttle Grip, Virpil ACE Interceptor Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zildac Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 (edited) Just about to try 2.8...so some mods obviously don't work any more. In terms of the FPS drop, do we have a standard we can use. My usual is Hornet ready on the ramp, Caucasus. I;ve looked at pancake mode and obviously seen the wacky shadows issue already Edited October 28, 2022 by zildac 12900KF | Maximus Hero Z690 | ASUS 4090 TUF OC | 64GB DDR5 5200 | DCS on 2TB NVMe | WarBRD+Warthog Stick | CM3 | TM TPR's | Varjo Aero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M1Combat Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, zildac said: In terms of the FPS drop, do we have a standard we can use. You can't compare your numbers to someone else's... You can only compare your 2.7x numbers to your 2.8 numbers. Stick with 2.7, get some perf numbers. Switch to 2.8.. get new numbers. Convert those to a % and post them. That's the only way to define a trend here. 3 Nvidia RTX3080 (HP Reverb), AMD 3800x Asus Prime X570P, 64GB G-Skill RipJaw 3600 Saitek X-65F and Fanatec Club-Sport Pedals (Using VJoy and Gremlin to remap Throttle and Clutch into a Rudder axis) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supmua Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 1 minute ago, zildac said: Just about to try 2.8...so some mods obviously don't work any more. In terms of the FPS drop, do we have a standard we can use. My usual is Hornet ready on the ramp, Caucasus. I have a bunch of recent CPU and GPU FT numbers that I recorded from various aircrafts and starting missions (for 3090 vs 4090 comparison, also planned 9900K vs 5800X3D) but these aren’t meant to be compared with other people’s setup. So these would come in handy as they were obtained from the previous beta version. PC: 5800X3D/4090, 11700K/3090, 9900K/2080Ti. Joystick bases: TMW, VPC WarBRD, MT50CM2, VKB GFII, FSSB R3L Joystick grips: TM (Warthog, F/A-18C), Realsimulator (F-16SGRH, F-18CGRH), VKB (Kosmosima LH, MCG, MCG Pro), VPC MongoosT50-CM2 Throttles: TMW, Winwing Super Taurus, Logitech Throttle Quadrant, Realsimulator Throttle (soon) VR: HTC Vive/Pro, Oculus Rift/Quest 2, Valve Index, Varjo Aero, https://forum.dcs.world/topic/300065-varjo-aero-general-guide-for-new-owners/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
some1 Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 7 minutes ago, M1Combat said: You can't compare your numbers to someone else's... You can only compare your 2.7x numbers to your 2.8 numbers. Stick with 2.7, get some perf numbers. Switch to 2.8.. get new numbers. Convert those to a % and post them. That's the only way to define a trend here. Here are my numbers on 2.8 https://forum.dcs.world/topic/311178-large-performance-drop-in-vr-after-updating-to-28/#comment-5074255 That's even more than 20% drop in the spot I compared. 1 1 Hardware: VPForce Rhino, FSSB R3 Ultra, Virpil T-50CM, Hotas Warthog, Winwing F15EX, Slaw Rudder, GVL224 Trio Throttle, Thrustmaster MFDs, Saitek Trim wheel, Trackir 5, Quest Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supmua Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 It looks like terrain shadows might be busted according to the general bugs thread. 1 PC: 5800X3D/4090, 11700K/3090, 9900K/2080Ti. Joystick bases: TMW, VPC WarBRD, MT50CM2, VKB GFII, FSSB R3L Joystick grips: TM (Warthog, F/A-18C), Realsimulator (F-16SGRH, F-18CGRH), VKB (Kosmosima LH, MCG, MCG Pro), VPC MongoosT50-CM2 Throttles: TMW, Winwing Super Taurus, Logitech Throttle Quadrant, Realsimulator Throttle (soon) VR: HTC Vive/Pro, Oculus Rift/Quest 2, Valve Index, Varjo Aero, https://forum.dcs.world/topic/300065-varjo-aero-general-guide-for-new-owners/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotdognz Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 I never have shadows on it s a big killer in VR for me, now im back to my saved preset for VR my FPS are the same in my G2 in 2.8 and its running ok so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zildac Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 (edited) Edited October 28, 2022 by zildac 12900KF | Maximus Hero Z690 | ASUS 4090 TUF OC | 64GB DDR5 5200 | DCS on 2TB NVMe | WarBRD+Warthog Stick | CM3 | TM TPR's | Varjo Aero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zildac Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 (edited) OK, so first impressions. All same settings, F18 ready on the ramp had to lose the Taz kegetys mod as it caused compile errors (to be expected after such a major upgrade) 20 FPS less...pants frankly. And I'm also assuming the weather/clouds haven't change on that instant action mission. So where's it gone? Varjo Aero, 4090 blah blah.... Seriously, can we just get one or two peeps in ED to test this stuff in VR, it's getting a little tired now?! I'm happy to volunteer on that front 1 hour ago, Supmua said: Need to check whether CPU or GPU frametime is affected, or both. I guess it’s the new weather system with fancy clouds and rainbow, etc. Good point, not checked...but it's a 20FPS deficit here..will spend more time tomorrow. Not sure that the instant action missions have the new clouds/weather? I saw no graphical difference tbh. Shadows are a different conversation. Edited October 28, 2022 by zildac 2 12900KF | Maximus Hero Z690 | ASUS 4090 TUF OC | 64GB DDR5 5200 | DCS on 2TB NVMe | WarBRD+Warthog Stick | CM3 | TM TPR's | Varjo Aero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchili Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 Performance improved with the Oculus Quest 2. Higher settings and stable FPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supmua Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, dutchili said: Performance improved with the Oculus Quest 2. Higher settings and stable FPS This is the first performance gain post I've seen. 3 PC: 5800X3D/4090, 11700K/3090, 9900K/2080Ti. Joystick bases: TMW, VPC WarBRD, MT50CM2, VKB GFII, FSSB R3L Joystick grips: TM (Warthog, F/A-18C), Realsimulator (F-16SGRH, F-18CGRH), VKB (Kosmosima LH, MCG, MCG Pro), VPC MongoosT50-CM2 Throttles: TMW, Winwing Super Taurus, Logitech Throttle Quadrant, Realsimulator Throttle (soon) VR: HTC Vive/Pro, Oculus Rift/Quest 2, Valve Index, Varjo Aero, https://forum.dcs.world/topic/300065-varjo-aero-general-guide-for-new-owners/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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