San_A Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 (edited) Can we expect an AESA radar on this version? And what about the IRST? Edited December 28, 2022 by San_A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunning_Raven Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, San_A said: Can we expect an AESA radar on this version? No, we are getting the Captor-M 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zahnatom Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 (edited) Captor-M is an M-scan radar btw, not PESA or AESA. and another sidenote(not necessarily related), the CAPTOR-D is the CAPTOR-M. the -D was renamed to -M Edited December 28, 2022 by Zahnatom 3 My beloved https://github.com/zahnatom/dcsmods/tree/main Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-2 Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 We are getting a mechanical scan version. They didn’t totally rule out AESA but it’s extraordinarily unlikely. The Typhoon never had a PESA, you might be thinking of the Rafale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectre11 Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 12 hours ago, Zahnatom said: Captor-M is an M-scan radar btw, not PESA or AESA. and another sidenote(not necessarily related), the CAPTOR-D is the CAPTOR-M. the -D was renamed to -M That's not really the case. Captor-M is a generic term for the mechanically scanned version and equally apploes to the Tranche 1 and 2 radar standards, aka Captor-C and D. The primary difference between these two radar standards was the processor albeit other LRIs have been upgraded as well, also for Tranche 3. There is typically no discrimination between T2/3 radar standards as earlier hardware is brought up to the same standard. The same cannot be said for the T1 radar, albeit some T2 radar LRIs have been retro qualified to be used in conjunction with the old processor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zahnatom Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 44 minutes ago, Spectre11 said: That's not really the case. Captor-M is a generic term for the mechanically scanned version and equally apploes to the Tranche 1 and 2 radar standards, aka Captor-C and D. The primary difference between these two radar standards was the processor albeit other LRIs have been upgraded as well, also for Tranche 3. There is typically no discrimination between T2/3 radar standards as earlier hardware is brought up to the same standard. The same cannot be said for the T1 radar, albeit some T2 radar LRIs have been retro qualified to be used in conjunction with the old processor. i cannot agree on the "generic term" part. if you could tell me where you get that from, that'd be great because i can't find anything suggesting that the Captor-C was/is also described as the Captor-M. My beloved https://github.com/zahnatom/dcsmods/tree/main Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectre11 Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 The term Captor-M was coined when the Captor-E AESA radar emerged to distinguish the meachanically scanning version from the electronic scanning which. That's done indiscreminately irrespective of whether we are talking about the Tranche 1 (Captor-C) and the Tranche 2 (Captor-D) radar standards. In all official documentation I have seen thus far, the terms Captor-C or -D aren't even used. It's always T1 or T2 radar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike_Romeo Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 (edited) On 12/28/2022 at 11:09 PM, San_A said: And what about the IRST? We are getting a german Eurofighter first and the german ones dont have that. Edited January 1, 2023 by Mike_Romeo My skins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San_A Posted January 1, 2023 Author Share Posted January 1, 2023 Thanks for all the replies, happy new year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-2 Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 Captor M is based of the extremely well regarded Blue Vixen radar from the sea harrier which you can read about in this article if so inclined. https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/ferranti-radars-blue-falcon-blue-hawk-blue-vixen.1224/post-10340 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spurts Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 That's a big ask of a small antenna. Should be better than any mechscan smaller than the above, but those planes have massive size advantages which improve power and gain which is a 3 part improvement to the radar range equation. Captor-M would have to rely solely on signals processing capability to catch up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-2 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 I think captor is more likely the best mechanical scan radar in its class. The Swiss evaluation implied a longer range the apg-73 and RBE2 but not overwhelmingly. I also have this antidote https://www.timesaerospace.aero/features/defence/aesa-does-itor-does-it Quote More recently, in November 2018, an experienced Luftwaffe Typhoon pilot told me that he hadn’t found himself “in one situation where I wanted or needed E-scan”. He highlighted the excellent performance and capability of the M-scan radar on the Eurofighter and stressed that he would rather have the EuroFirst passive infrared airborne track equipment infrared search-and-track (PIRATE IRST), which was absent on German Eurofighters, than a new radar. He would also rather augment the existing radar with a Litening laser designator pod (LDP) to give a passive long-range visual identification capability. Contrast that with some UK Royal Air Force pilots with experience of operating over Syria viewing M-scan radar as being on the verge of complete obsolescence, since mechanically scanned radars exhibit an inherently greater vulnerability to jamming and suffer from an inability to fully exploit the performance and capabilities of new weapons, including the Meteor BVRAAM. Whatever the arguments, there’s no doubt that the Middle East has embraced AESA technology. I would expect apg-71 and possibly apg-70/63(v)1 could exploit meteor fully and might brute force through jamming. blue vixen, captors forerunner was supposedly very good at maintaining locks and allegedly filled in coverage gaps for AWACS in the Yugoslav wars, so I think Captor is more the best in other ways then simply range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spurts Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 8 minutes ago, F-2 said: The Swiss evaluation implied a longer range the apg-73 and RBE2 but not overwhelmingly. blue vixen, captors forerunner was supposedly very good at maintaining locks and allegedly filled in coverage gaps for AWACS in the Yugoslav wars, so I think Captor is more the best in other ways then simply range. and there is a vast chasm of range between APG-73 and APG-71. As to non-range factors, sure I 100% can buy it being the best Mechscan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-2 Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-2 Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 Apparently scan speed is comparable to a PESA, 10 degrees in 30 milliseconds according to this old AWST. The radar also has interleaving in some capacity. https://bemil.chosun.com/nbrd/data/10040/upfile/200910/20091012204005.doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zahnatom Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 10 hours ago, F-2 said: Apparently scan speed is comparable to a PESA, 10 degrees in 30 milliseconds according to this old AWST. The radar also has interleaving in some capacity. https://bemil.chosun.com/nbrd/data/10040/upfile/200910/20091012204005.doc what are the angular limits of it btw My beloved https://github.com/zahnatom/dcsmods/tree/main Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-2 Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 2 hours ago, Zahnatom said: what are the angular limits of it btw https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/eurofighter-typhoon-avionics.19/ Quote The array can be moved +-60° in azimuth and elevation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectre11 Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 20 hours ago, F-2 said: https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/eurofighter-typhoon-avionics.19/ You probably mean that the beam can be electronically steered by that amount... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zahnatom Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 On 4/2/2023 at 4:32 PM, F-2 said: https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/eurofighter-typhoon-avionics.19/ interesting. idk why but i was expecting it to be more tbh My beloved https://github.com/zahnatom/dcsmods/tree/main Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectre11 Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 46 minutes ago, Zahnatom said: interesting. idk why but i was expecting it to be more tbh With the WFoR repositioner it's 100°. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zahnatom Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Spectre11 said: With the WFoR repositioner it's 100°. the what? Wide Field of R..... isnt that the captor-e variant Edited April 3, 2023 by Zahnatom My beloved https://github.com/zahnatom/dcsmods/tree/main Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectre11 Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 6 hours ago, Zahnatom said: the what? Wide Field of R..... isnt that the captor-e variant Regard... Yes that's for the Captor-E. If your question was related to the stndard Captor-M it's 70 in Az and 60 in El. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-2 Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 12 hours ago, Spectre11 said: Regard... Yes that's for the Captor-E. If your question was related to the stndard Captor-M it's 70 in Az and 60 in El. You flew the Typhoon right? Is it true scan speed is very fast and some kinda interleaving of modes is possible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectre11 Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 On 4/4/2023 at 5:50 PM, F-2 said: You flew the Typhoon right? Is it true scan speed is very fast and some kinda interleaving of modes is possible? To my knowledge mode interleaving isn't possible. You can still select the AA Attack forrmat while the radar is in an A/S mode, but the ATCK format is not a plain radar format. The high scan rates enable Captor to utilise max. search volumes in TWS. Other M-Scans have typically constrained search volumes in TWS compared search modes like RWS or VS. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-2 Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 59 minutes ago, Spectre11 said: To my knowledge mode interleaving isn't possible. You can still select the AA Attack forrmat while the radar is in an A/S mode, but the ATCK format is not a plain radar format. The high scan rates enable Captor to utilise max. search volumes in TWS. Other M-Scans have typically constrained search volumes in TWS compared search modes like RWS or VS. Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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