Hobo 1-1 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 (edited) Hello all, I've decided to learn the Viper in earnest and need to ask about the RWR. Playing on Hoggit's GAW server, going through the startup process one step at a time, get to the RWR and turn it on and BAM! Constant, unrelenting lockon warble. More like a screeching, nerve wracking noise. I get why it sounds this way and how to turn the volume down. The thing is, just sitting in parking the RWR was picking up a Mig-29 "lock" on my aircraft. A continuous, unrelenting twittering throughout startup, through taxi, through line up, through take off, through climb out, through turn to my waypoint, minutes upon minutes of this continuous, God awful twittering lead to me selecting a new airframe and soldiering on. Do any of you more-knowledgeable pilots have any tips or tricks? I want to learn the Viper (been flying the Jeff for a while), I know I can't be the first person to "complain" about this. Any help? Thanks in advance for any help anyone might offer. Edited January 11, 2023 by Hobo 1-1 Spelling and grammar mistakes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hobo 1-1 Posted January 11, 2023 Author Share Posted January 11, 2023 MP on Hoggit’s GAW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VarZat Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 MIG-29s and the like are like that sadly in DCS. Can spike you from 100+ NM away, even on the ground. If you look at the AUDIO panel by your left leg there should be one called "threat" which you can turn down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonshine Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 (edited) Long standing DCS bug that you get residual rwr spikes from stuff thats all the way across the map. Nothing you can do about it. if an enemy AI locks a guy in air combat, you still get rwr spikes even if you are nowhere near that fight Edited January 11, 2023 by Moonshine 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bukizzzz Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 35 minutes ago, Moonshine said: Long standing DCS bug that you get residual rwr spikes from stuff thats all the way across the map. Nothing you can do about it. if an enemy AI locks a guy in air combat, you still get rwr spikes even if you are nowhere near that fight Is this for real? I always just assumed AI was locking me up from 100nm away - hence no launch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonshine Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 yes for real, not even ai with their perfect radar see you 100+nm out. especially not when you are wheels down in the hangar still 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Raptor9 Posted January 11, 2023 ED Team Share Posted January 11, 2023 An RWR cannot determine whether a radar has locked on to your aircraft any more than it can determine whether someone can actually see you on their radar screen. An RWR only indicates to the pilot that a radar signal of a certain type has been detected, operating in a specific mode, and in a rough bearing relative to the aircraft's nose. If an "8" appears on your RWR with a "lock" tone warning, it is the RWR simply detecting a radar signal from an SA-8 radar that is operating in a "lock" mode. It may or may not be locked on to your aircraft specifically. Afterburners are for wussies...hang around the battlefield and dodge tracers like a man. DCS Rotor-Head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_SteelFalcon_ Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Raptor9 said: An RWR cannot determine whether a radar has locked on to your aircraft any more than it can determine whether someone can actually see you on their radar screen. An RWR only indicates to the pilot that a radar signal of a certain type has been detected, operating in a specific mode, and in a rough bearing relative to the aircraft's nose. If an "8" appears on your RWR with a "lock" tone warning, it is the RWR simply detecting a radar signal from an SA-8 radar that is operating in a "lock" mode. It may or may not be locked on to your aircraft specifically. that i understand, but i do not understand getting an RWR tone from a fighter jet while sitting in a hangar or being all the way across the map, just because another friendly is in his range and being targeted. Edited January 11, 2023 by _SteelFalcon_ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonshine Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 discussed at lenght here 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom711 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 vor 3 Stunden schrieb Raptor9: An RWR cannot determine whether a radar has locked on to your aircraft any more than it can determine whether someone can actually see you on their radar screen. An RWR only indicates to the pilot that a radar signal of a certain type has been detected, operating in a specific mode, and in a rough bearing relative to the aircraft's nose. If an "8" appears on your RWR with a "lock" tone warning, it is the RWR simply detecting a radar signal from an SA-8 radar that is operating in a "lock" mode. It may or may not be locked on to your aircraft specifically. This is not true. And the way you describe it, it would defeat the whole purpose of a RWR. If a radar locks onto someone, the radar energy is focused on that particular target and his respective RWR would indicate that (if so equipped). Sure, there might be ambiguities or false indications, especially if you are relatively close to someone else who is being locked on by some radar (because you are close to the radar beam), but it surely is not as „random“ as you describe it. Imagine a whole package feeling threatened and act accordingly, just because one guy is actually being targeted/locked. (Of course things are a bit more complex with more modern radars) 1 vCVW-17 is looking for Hornet and Tomcat pilots and RIOs. Join the vCVW-17 Discord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Solution Raptor9 Posted January 11, 2023 ED Team Solution Share Posted January 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Phantom711 said: If a radar locks onto someone, the radar energy is focused on that particular target. Incorrect, the radar energy is focused along the azimuth and elevation that the radar is being transmitted from the source. Just because some of the radar waves are reflected back to the radar source, there is still plenty of radar energy that continues to travel along that original transmission direction. Yes, different radar systems have different characteristics in regard to how narrowly they can focus their radar energy (and I won't even bring up main lobes, sidelobes, etc), but even if all the radar energy could be focused as tightly as a laser beam, there would still be radar energy that would miss the target unless the target was very close to the source. Therefore, if you are along the same azimuth and elevation of the outgoing radar transmission, and the radar energy is strong enough that your RWR is able to ascertain its characteristics among the background EM noise, it will give you the associated warning. The RWR has no idea whether the source of the radar is actually locked onto you, or an aircraft that is between you and the radar source, or an aircraft that is further away with you between the radar and its target. That is a fact and a reality of such systems. Everything in my original comment is absolutely true; nothing random about it. A passive radar warning system is nothing but a series of antennas on an aircraft that use approximate direction finding mechanics to determine a relative bearing to a radar signal, what the characteristics of that signal are, and then compares those characteristics to a library of characteristics to determine what it is. No more no less. As for whether client aircraft are receiving RWR indications on multiplayer servers under unrealistic conditions, that I cannot comment on. The intent of my original comment was to dispel any misconceptions over how passive radar warning systems function or the information they provide. 3 Afterburners are for wussies...hang around the battlefield and dodge tracers like a man. DCS Rotor-Head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LieutenantFalcon Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 5 minutes ago, Raptor9 said: (and I won't even bring up main lobes, sidelobes, etc) Actually, do. These are an important part of the signals your RWR recieves too. This is how you get spiked by radars that are not even looking close to your azimuth and elevation 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom711 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 vor 22 Stunden schrieb Raptor9: Incorrect, the radar energy is focused along the azimuth and elevation that the radar is being transmitted from the source. Just because some of the radar waves are reflected back to the radar source, there is still plenty of radar energy that continues to travel along that original transmission direction. Yes, different radar systems have different characteristics in regard to how narrowly they can focus their radar energy (and I won't even bring up main lobes, sidelobes, etc), but even if all the radar energy could be focused as tightly as a laser beam, there would still be radar energy that would miss the target unless the target was very close to the source. Therefore, if you are along the same azimuth and elevation of the outgoing radar transmission, and the radar energy is strong enough that your RWR is able to ascertain its characteristics among the background EM noise, it will give you the associated warning. The RWR has no idea whether the source of the radar is actually locked onto you, or an aircraft that is between you and the radar source, or an aircraft that is further away with you between the radar and its target. That is a fact and a reality of such systems. Everything in my original comment is absolutely true; nothing random about it. A passive radar warning system is nothing but a series of antennas on an aircraft that use approximate direction finding mechanics to determine a relative bearing to a radar signal, what the characteristics of that signal are, and then compares those characteristics to a library of characteristics to determine what it is. No more no less. As for whether client aircraft are receiving RWR indications on multiplayer servers under unrealistic conditions, that I cannot comment on. The intent of my original comment was to dispel any misconceptions over how passive radar warning systems function or the information they provide. Ok...NOW I am 100% with you. I guess your previous post just simplified the matter so much, that it sounded wrong. 1 vCVW-17 is looking for Hornet and Tomcat pilots and RIOs. Join the vCVW-17 Discord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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