Flyne2912 Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 (edited) I am using an Alienware M15 R7 with Radeon 6900HX and RTX 3080Ti, upon playing DCS, the game constantly crashes to desktop after 5 or 10 minutes. I have tried rebooting the OS, using DDU and clean installing graphic drivers, clean and repair DCS files, using Nvidia debug mode, redownloading DCS World, undervolting both processor and graphics card but to no avail. I have also allocated page file up to 64Gb. It would be appreciated if someone can identify the cause from the log files. dcs.log-20230120-051612.zip dcs.log-20230120-055151.zip dcs.log-20230120-005117.zip Edited January 20, 2023 by Flyne2912 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverdevil Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Flyne2912 said: I am using an Alienware M15 R7 with Radeon 6900HX and RTX 3080Ti, upon playing DCS, the game constantly crashes to desktop after 5 or 10 minutes. I have tried rebooting the OS, using DDU and clean installing graphic drivers, clean and repair DCS files, using Nvidia debug mode, redownloading DCS World, undervolting both processor and graphics card but to no avail. I have also allocated page file up to 64Gb. It would be appreciated if someone can identify the cause from the log files. dcs.log-20230120-051612.zip 2.4 MB · 1 download dcs.log-20230120-055151.zip 212.42 kB · 1 download dcs.log-20230120-005117.zip 1.35 MB · 1 download hello your pagefile is registering by DCS as 240 GB. thats way too big. set your size in both boxes as 32768. Quote 2023-01-20 05:09:19.452 INFO APP (Main): CPU cores: 8, threads: 16, System RAM: 31987 MB, Pagefile: 240000 MB Edited January 20, 2023 by silverdevil AKA_SilverDevil Join AKA Wardogs Email Address My YouTube “The MIGS came up, the MIGS were aggressive, we tangled, they lost.” - Robin Olds - An American fighter pilot. He was a triple ace. The only man to ever record a confirmed kill while in glide mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyne2912 Posted January 20, 2023 Author Share Posted January 20, 2023 I tried 32Gb at first and it did not work, also 64, 128 and etc. All to no fruition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corn322 Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 Does your laptop crash in other games? How are your temperature? Do you have GeForce Experience installed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyne2912 Posted January 20, 2023 Author Share Posted January 20, 2023 My laptop does not crash in other games, such as cyberpunk 2077, modern warfare II, temps were average around 85 degress which were well below the tcc. I have geforce experience 3.26.0.160 installed, also tried rolling back to previous version and still failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverdevil Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 34 minutes ago, Flyne2912 said: My laptop does not crash in other games, such as cyberpunk 2077, modern warfare II, temps were average around 85 degress which were well below the tcc. I have geforce experience 3.26.0.160 installed, also tried rolling back to previous version and still failed. sorry that did not work. can you try running this command and post the results? https://www.sqlserver-dba.com/2015/07/find-windows-pagefile-location-through-command-line-and-wmic.html AKA_SilverDevil Join AKA Wardogs Email Address My YouTube “The MIGS came up, the MIGS were aggressive, we tangled, they lost.” - Robin Olds - An American fighter pilot. He was a triple ace. The only man to ever record a confirmed kill while in glide mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyne2912 Posted January 20, 2023 Author Share Posted January 20, 2023 (edited) AllocatedBaseSize=32768 CurrentUsage=92 Description=C:\pagefile.sys InstallDate=20230104125623.050056-300 Name=C:\pagefile.sys PeakUsage=223 Status= TempPageFile=FALSE Here are the results. I also tried running DCS at lowest settings and still crashed. This could be a hardware problem, but running other games with high gpu loads did not result in crashes interestingly. Edited January 20, 2023 by Flyne2912 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverdevil Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 24 minutes ago, Flyne2912 said: AllocatedBaseSize=32768 CurrentUsage=92 Description=C:\pagefile.sys InstallDate=20230104125623.050056-300 Name=C:\pagefile.sys PeakUsage=223 Status= TempPageFile=FALSE Here are the results. I also tried running DCS at lowest settings and still crashed. This could be a hardware problem, but running other games with high gpu loads did not result in crashes interestingly. the pagefile size checks out here. weird that DCS sees 240 GB. have you renamed your DCS folder in Saved Games? you can rename to DCS.BAK or whatever. run DCS and the folder will get recreated with default values. do not delete because it has input device bindings. if the new DCS folder allows DCS to run without CTD then there is a problem in the original Saved Games\DCS folder. AKA_SilverDevil Join AKA Wardogs Email Address My YouTube “The MIGS came up, the MIGS were aggressive, we tangled, they lost.” - Robin Olds - An American fighter pilot. He was a triple ace. The only man to ever record a confirmed kill while in glide mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyne2912 Posted January 21, 2023 Author Share Posted January 21, 2023 DCS still CTD with a new saved game folder. Here is the new log file: dcs.log-20230121-051616.zip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CH4Pz Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 ive just got 2 CTD in a row, which is weird, as my systems only few weeks old (13700k,32gb ddr5, 3090), full clean install, and been flawless so far, and theres not been an update since dec... yet 2 ctd today?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CH4Pz Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 ok, so i did find a solution to my issue, that may help you, as you mentioned "undervolting". After another crash i realized that last night i bumped my OC on my CPU from 5.7 @1.27v to 5.8 @1.27v, and while the PC has been working fine, ive started with these CTD, even though the pc is still running ok after. Now if i do same clocks on adaptive volts it goes to 1.35v, so essentially im Overclocked and undervolted, so if you still have a undervolt active you could try adding more juice, or dropping your clocks (if its even possible to OC a laptop?) i just done 2 heavy campaign missions no crash and was crashing every attempt before 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyne2912 Posted January 21, 2023 Author Share Posted January 21, 2023 Thanks for the suggestion. What software did you use for undervolting? This would be a plausible shot at fixing this issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverdevil Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Flyne2912 said: Thanks for the suggestion. What software did you use for undervolting? This would be a plausible shot at fixing this issue. hi again. you can benchmark it and post up. try using CPU-Z https://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html you may have modifications to settings you did not know you had. another thought is to verify your game files in steam. Edited January 21, 2023 by silverdevil AKA_SilverDevil Join AKA Wardogs Email Address My YouTube “The MIGS came up, the MIGS were aggressive, we tangled, they lost.” - Robin Olds - An American fighter pilot. He was a triple ace. The only man to ever record a confirmed kill while in glide mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyne2912 Posted January 21, 2023 Author Share Posted January 21, 2023 Processor (CPU) CPU Name AMD Ryzen 9 6900HX with Radeon Graphics Threading 1 CPU - 8 Core - 16 Threads Frequency 4338.33 MHz (43.5 * 99.73 MHz) - Uncore: 1196.8 MHz Multiplier Current: 43.5 Architecture Rembrandt / Stepping: RMB-B1 / Technology: 6 nm CPUID / Ext. F.4.1 / 19.44 IA Extensions MMX(+), SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1, SSE4.2, SSE4A, x86-64, AMD-V, AES, AVX, AVX2, FMA3, SHA Caches L1D : 32 KB / L2 : 512 KB / L3 : 16384 KB Caches Assoc. L1D : 8-way / L2 : 8-way / L3 : 16-way Microcode Rev. 0xA404102 TDP / Vcore 45 Watts / 1.3 Volts Type Retail Cores Frequencies #00: 4338.33 MHz #01: 4338.33 MHz #02: 4338.33 MHz #03: 4338.33 MHz #04: 4338.33 MHz #05: 4338.33 MHz #06: 4338.33 MHz #07: 4338.33 MHz Motherboard Model Alienware 0JXP9V Socket Socket FP7 North Bridge AMD Ryzen SOC rev 01 South Bridge AMD FCH rev 51 BIOS Alienware 1.6.1 (12/15/2022) Memory (RAM) Total Size 32768 MB Type Quad Channel (256 bit) DDR5-SDRAM Frequency 2394.1 MHz (DDR5-4788) - Ratio 1:24 Timings 40-39-39-77-116 (tCAS-tRCD-tRP-tRAS-tRC) Slot #1 Module SK Hynix 16384 MB (DDR5-4800) - P/N: HMCG78MEBSA092N Slot #2 Module SK Hynix 16384 MB (DDR5-4800) - P/N: HMCG78MEBSA092N Graphic Card (GPU) GPU #1 Type AMD Radeon(TM) Graphics GPU #1 Brand Dell GPU #2 Type NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti Laptop GPU @ 1455 MHz GPU #2 Brand Dell GPU #2 VRAM 16384 MB @ 8001 MHz Storage (HDD/SSD) Model #1 Name PM9A1 NVMe Samsung 1024GB (FW: 36309229) Model #1 Capacity 953.9 GiB (~1020 GB) Model #1 Type Fixed, SSD - Bus: NVMe (17) Model #2 Name Samsung SSD 970 EVO Plus 2TB (FW: 4B2QEXM7) Model #2 Capacity 1863.0 GiB (~2000 GB) Model #2 Type Fixed, SSD - Bus: NVMe (17) Here are the results Sadly, DCS still crashes to desktop with gpu and cpu undervolted, with fresh saved games folder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverdevil Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 2 hours ago, Flyne2912 said: 4338.33 MHz (43.5 * 99.73 MHz) - Uncore: 1196.8 MHz i think but not sure. it looks to me you are overclocked on the CPU frequency. did you mess with anything in the BIOS? stock Frequency is 3.3 GHz. you can enter the BIOS on an alienware and look around. also look for XMP. perhaps your ram is OC. i never OC so i am far from an expert. there are others in the forum would know for sure. AKA_SilverDevil Join AKA Wardogs Email Address My YouTube “The MIGS came up, the MIGS were aggressive, we tangled, they lost.” - Robin Olds - An American fighter pilot. He was a triple ace. The only man to ever record a confirmed kill while in glide mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyne2912 Posted January 22, 2023 Author Share Posted January 22, 2023 3.3Ghz is my CPU's base clock, and I have tried disabling cpu boost to maintain at 3.3Ghz, but after 5 minutes of DCS the laptop started bluescreening. So I chose to leave the CPU on its default config. Thank you for your suggestions. I'm getting a motherboard replacement on Monday, hoping that will solve everything and I'll report back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CH4Pz Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 7 hours ago, Flyne2912 said: Thanks for the suggestion. What software did you use for undervolting? This would be a plausible shot at fixing this issue. i use the BIOS directly.. stock clocks and even turbo should be fine, but have you changed your voltage controls at all? like if you have adaptive/offset volts to something like -0.03v could be causing your issue. As mentioned, just 100mhz extra and no extra power was enough to cause me issues... try auto volts see if it stops crashing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CH4Pz Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 also ona sidenote, i find in all sims i play (msfs & dcs) i get better performance with hyperthreading disabled as they load onto 1 or 2 cores, with very computational code, so you want beefy cores, not lots of cut down ones, but your milage may vary depending on what you use your pc for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverdevil Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 11 hours ago, Flyne2912 said: 3.3Ghz is my CPU's base clock, and I have tried disabling cpu boost to maintain at 3.3Ghz, but after 5 minutes of DCS the laptop started bluescreening. So I chose to leave the CPU on its default config. Thank you for your suggestions. I'm getting a motherboard replacement on Monday, hoping that will solve everything and I'll report back. to add to what @CH4Pz said, getting a new motherboard, it will be factory default (safe). dell does not normally ship anything with any boosts. my alienware came without XMP enabled. i had to update BIOS and then set the profile i wanted. AKA_SilverDevil Join AKA Wardogs Email Address My YouTube “The MIGS came up, the MIGS were aggressive, we tangled, they lost.” - Robin Olds - An American fighter pilot. He was a triple ace. The only man to ever record a confirmed kill while in glide mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solution Flyne2912 Posted January 24, 2023 Author Solution Share Posted January 24, 2023 Good news! I recently did a motherboard change, repasted the thermal compound and DCS ran without hitching for 2 hours so far. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverdevil Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 8 hours ago, Flyne2912 said: Good news! I recently did a motherboard change, repasted the thermal compound and DCS ran without hitching for 2 hours so far. excellent. was this system under warranty? if so, you found a quality control issue for Dell. hopefully they keep an eye on future systems. AKA_SilverDevil Join AKA Wardogs Email Address My YouTube “The MIGS came up, the MIGS were aggressive, we tangled, they lost.” - Robin Olds - An American fighter pilot. He was a triple ace. The only man to ever record a confirmed kill while in glide mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyne2912 Posted January 26, 2023 Author Share Posted January 26, 2023 Fortunately the laptop was still under warranty, the change costed nothing. It was a screwed capacitor lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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