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Did anyone ever tried this with the Warthog slew "nipple"?


sirrah

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First of all, I know there are slew upgrades available for the Warthog throttle, but one has to choose where to spend money on. I still have so many upgrades in my mind (new GPU, fssb stick, Winwing F-16 throttle, new F-15E module, just to mame a few...) and unfortunately I can only spend my money only once 😋

 

Anyways, did anyone ever try to drill a tiny hole in the top of the oem Warthog nipple. I was thinking of doing this and then screw on a small "thumb" stick using a tiny screw. I can imagine a larger surface would already improve the slew stick (as the main issue is the lack of "grip" on the small nipple)

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(Don't look at all the dust please, the close up photo makes it worse than it actually is 😳)

 

Any ideas/advice/reasons why I shouldn't try this?

Anyone know how long/deep the oem nipple is? (How deep would I be able to drill without damaging any wiring?)

System specs:

 

i7-8700K @stock speed - GTX 1080TI @ stock speed - AsRock Extreme4 Z370 - 32GB DDR4 @3GHz- 500GB SSD - 2TB nvme - 650W PSU

HP Reverb G1 v2 - Saitek Pro pedals - TM Warthog HOTAS - TM F/A-18 Grip - TM Cougar HOTAS (NN-Dan mod) & (throttle standalone mod) - VIRPIL VPC Rotor TCS Plus with ALPHA-L grip - Pointctrl & aux banks <-- must have for VR users!! - Andre's SimShaker Jetpad - Fully adjustable DIY playseat - VA+VAICOM - Realsimulator FSSB-R3

 

~ That nuke might not have been the best of ideas, Sir... the enemy is furious ~ GUMMBAH

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I get the money thing, but honestly wait a little longer for your next update beyond it and spend the money on the DeltaSim upgrade for the TDC.  MASSIVE overall improvement, and IIRC the ones he's sending now have a higher resolution (or maybe it's just the firmware now recognizes a higher resolution -- search it on the forum, I think his firmware update might work on the stock nipple so worth doing even if you stick with that 🤔).

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I don't think longer "lever" is going to help you. Because.... it's not a gimbal type mechanism under there. 

Under there, it's an AMS package Hall sensor module, which has the mechanism similar to the PSP joystick... it slides in both X and Y directions on a flat plane. The AMS Hall sensors senses displacement, not rotational angle. Since it's a slide mechanism, there is no such thing as a lever, hence no such thing as a "longer" lever to increase the rθ arc length.

The longer "stem" just increase the torque load and gains you nothing else other than the torque induced friction.

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24 minutes ago, Hempstead said:

I don't think longer "lever" is going to help you. Because.... it's not a gimbal type mechanism under there. 

Under there, it's an AMS package Hall sensor module, which has the mechanism similar to the PSP joystick... it slides in both X and Y directions on a flat plane. The AMS Hall sensors senses displacement, not rotational angle. Since it's a slide mechanism, there is no such thing as a lever, hence no such thing as a "longer" lever to increase the rθ arc length.

The longer "stem" just increase the torque load and gains you nothing else other than the torque induced friction.

But wouldn't a larger "nipple surface" provide more fingertip grip and with that make it a bit more easy to make small inputs.

(Oh my, it so difficult to keep this topic within forum regulations, with terms like "nipple surface" 😅)

 

I understand this won't increase axis resolution, but I can imagine the better finger grip could slightly increase fingertip control.

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System specs:

 

i7-8700K @stock speed - GTX 1080TI @ stock speed - AsRock Extreme4 Z370 - 32GB DDR4 @3GHz- 500GB SSD - 2TB nvme - 650W PSU

HP Reverb G1 v2 - Saitek Pro pedals - TM Warthog HOTAS - TM F/A-18 Grip - TM Cougar HOTAS (NN-Dan mod) & (throttle standalone mod) - VIRPIL VPC Rotor TCS Plus with ALPHA-L grip - Pointctrl & aux banks <-- must have for VR users!! - Andre's SimShaker Jetpad - Fully adjustable DIY playseat - VA+VAICOM - Realsimulator FSSB-R3

 

~ That nuke might not have been the best of ideas, Sir... the enemy is furious ~ GUMMBAH

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5 hours ago, sirrah said:

But wouldn't a larger "nipple surface" provide more fingertip grip and with that make it a bit more easy to make small inputs.

(Oh my, it so difficult to keep this topic within forum regulations, with terms like "nipple surface" 😅)

 

I understand this won't increase axis resolution, but I can imagine the better finger grip could slightly increase fingertip control.

It’s not the size, whether you are talking about a nob or a stick…. *snigger*
 

Well, give it a try. Just don’t drill more than 3mm.

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Mileage varies .... I ended up getting the mod and have never looked back. I'd tried to improve the old part but was never happy.

I passed on a some MaccyD meals electing for a simply hamburger instead and I had the deltamod price saved in short order!  It's been far far more rewarding than the bigmacs could ever have been!

 

Interesting to read the newer TM WHs have a different design for the slew!

 

S!

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18 hours ago, DD_Crash said:

I suck some course abrasive on it. I got a sheet of 80 grit and used a hole punch. I used the small circle that was cut out and stuck it on with superglue. Not as good as Deltasim mod but an improvement.

That's a great idea

I'll try that first :thumbup:

 

18 hours ago, BuzzU said:

In case you didn't know. TM finally updated the slew switch on the new Warthogs. I have one and it looks like the delta mod.

Did you buy one separately, or an entire throttle?

I wonder what it'll cost from TM if it can be bought separately. Buying the Deltasim slew from here (The Netherlands) is over €60,- (and that is excl international shipping costs). A bit steep imho.

System specs:

 

i7-8700K @stock speed - GTX 1080TI @ stock speed - AsRock Extreme4 Z370 - 32GB DDR4 @3GHz- 500GB SSD - 2TB nvme - 650W PSU

HP Reverb G1 v2 - Saitek Pro pedals - TM Warthog HOTAS - TM F/A-18 Grip - TM Cougar HOTAS (NN-Dan mod) & (throttle standalone mod) - VIRPIL VPC Rotor TCS Plus with ALPHA-L grip - Pointctrl & aux banks <-- must have for VR users!! - Andre's SimShaker Jetpad - Fully adjustable DIY playseat - VA+VAICOM - Realsimulator FSSB-R3

 

~ That nuke might not have been the best of ideas, Sir... the enemy is furious ~ GUMMBAH

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5 hours ago, sirrah said:

 

Did you buy one separately, or an entire throttle?

I wonder what it'll cost from TM if it can be bought separately. Buying the Deltasim slew from here (The Netherlands) is over €60,- (and that is excl international shipping costs). A bit steep imho.

I bought the whole Warthog. I read someone say TM wants $70 for the switch but I don't know if that's accurate. Seems kind of high but i've never bought any parts from TM. I'd contact them and see what they say.

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3 hours ago, BuzzU said:

I bought the whole Warthog. I read someone say TM wants $70 for the switch but I don't know if that's accurate. Seems kind of high but i've never bought any parts from TM. I'd contact them and see what they say.

Considering that is ~1/3 of a complete TM Warthog throttle, I agree, if true, that'd be kinda absurd indeed..

 

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System specs:

 

i7-8700K @stock speed - GTX 1080TI @ stock speed - AsRock Extreme4 Z370 - 32GB DDR4 @3GHz- 500GB SSD - 2TB nvme - 650W PSU

HP Reverb G1 v2 - Saitek Pro pedals - TM Warthog HOTAS - TM F/A-18 Grip - TM Cougar HOTAS (NN-Dan mod) & (throttle standalone mod) - VIRPIL VPC Rotor TCS Plus with ALPHA-L grip - Pointctrl & aux banks <-- must have for VR users!! - Andre's SimShaker Jetpad - Fully adjustable DIY playseat - VA+VAICOM - Realsimulator FSSB-R3

 

~ That nuke might not have been the best of ideas, Sir... the enemy is furious ~ GUMMBAH

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13 hours ago, BuzzU said:

True, but Delta is $66.

Probably more with international shipping. Hence this thread 😉

Although I'm sure Deltasim delivers a great product, I find that to be a rather expensive mod for a ~€240 throttle (reading that so many people purchased this mod, I suppose I'm alone in this opinion)

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm not moaning about slew mod pricing, it is what it is. I just wondered if increased "nipple grip" would increase fingertip slew control and with that create a better experience.

System specs:

 

i7-8700K @stock speed - GTX 1080TI @ stock speed - AsRock Extreme4 Z370 - 32GB DDR4 @3GHz- 500GB SSD - 2TB nvme - 650W PSU

HP Reverb G1 v2 - Saitek Pro pedals - TM Warthog HOTAS - TM F/A-18 Grip - TM Cougar HOTAS (NN-Dan mod) & (throttle standalone mod) - VIRPIL VPC Rotor TCS Plus with ALPHA-L grip - Pointctrl & aux banks <-- must have for VR users!! - Andre's SimShaker Jetpad - Fully adjustable DIY playseat - VA+VAICOM - Realsimulator FSSB-R3

 

~ That nuke might not have been the best of ideas, Sir... the enemy is furious ~ GUMMBAH

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Well, I got Delta's first version of his mod (Force Sensing). Let's say compared to the first version the 56£ was pretty cheap. But both are well worth it. Top quality and a nice QOL improvement for any Thrustmaster Throttle. The upgraded Firmware with higher polling frequency is a great free upgrade coming from delta as well.

 


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I'll just say that I've used the Warthog for a year, and basically always struggled with the TGP in the F-18.

I got the Delta Slew Upgrade, and immediately the TGP became usable. Like..no issues, it just worked. Even the hud reticle became usable.

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23 hours ago, A2597 said:

I'll just say that I've used the Warthog for a year, and basically always struggled with the TGP in the F-18.

I got the Delta Slew Upgrade, and immediately the TGP became usable. Like..no issues, it just worked. Even the hud reticle became usable.

 

Yeah. I felt relieved, but I also just kept thinking why I tortured myself for years with that horrible mouse nipple. They ship from UK so with taxes it was something between 80-90€ when shipped to Finland, but still worth every penny.

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Hey all,

Thanks for this thread... lots of great solutions from low cost to higher cost.  I went with the Delta Simulations stick replacement ($55) and it is worth every cent! It was easy to install and has a great range of motion so now I can slew with precision.

i9-13900K@5.8Ghz, RTX 4070 TI 12GB, Aorus Elite AX MB, 64GB DDR5 6000, 2x2TB M.2 980pro SSDs, Win11 64 P, TM Warthog, T-IR 2D @ 4K, Quest Pro VR.

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The Deltasim upgrade is definitely worth it. On WWII birds with hand brakes... Spit, Mossie, La-5, I bind the Slew switch to the brake axis and give it a curve of 50, and Saturation of 50.. and DZ of 08... results may vary....but it's easy to develop muscle memory with it. Up/down brakes, L/R zoom.

:drinks_cheers:

Sempre Fortis

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