Think the F-15 Release is/will have an Impact

[NotBonk]

18 minutes ago, freehand said:

I have been here for 17 years I know what the game is lol.

Sim, and then act that way please. Experience Is no substitute for manners.

[79Au]

@NotBonk Relax man. It's a game, because people play it for entertainment purposes. A simulator game. "Simulation" is a subgenre in videogames. Anyway... I do think the SE release will have some sort of impact on the F-4, but my main question is, will the SE preorder "lock out" the release of the F-4 until SE is released. (+ 1 month minimum separation) I hope not, but we'll see. I haven't decided yet what plane I'm going to buy but I think it will be the most finished one with the least amount of bugs and "soon-later-promises".

 

[NotBonk]

Just now, 79Au said:

@NotBonk Relax man. It's a game, because people play it for entertainment purposes. A simulator game. "Simulation" is a subgenre in videogames. Anyway... I do think the SE release will have some sort of impact on the F-4, but my main question is, will the SE preorder "lock out" the release of the F-4 until SE is released. (+ 1 month minimum separation) I hope not, but we'll see. I haven't decided yet what plane I'm going to buy but I think it will be the most finished one with the least amount of bugs and "soon-later-promises".

 

I understand that, but there’s no reason to be rude. I’ve been simply correcting them but they seem to reject any attempts at peaceful communication.

[79Au]

I don't see people being rude in here, if anyone was being rude it was you:

3 hours ago, NotBonk said:

if you don’t like it then you can go play pvp with an fc3 module

edit: I know, we're trying to get back to topic...

Edited February 17, 2023 by 79Au

[NotBonk]

5 minutes ago, 79Au said:

I don't see people being rude in here, if anyone was rude it was you:

edit: I know, we're trying to get back to topic...

 

I was using that as an anecdote to hint at his attitude towards a non-simulation play style. He liked to say things that insult common things about the community as well as several incorrect facts. Anyways, moving to PMs

[freehand]

1 hour ago, NotBonk said:

I was using that as an anecdote to hint at his attitude towards a non-simulation play style. He liked to say things that insult common things about the community as well as several incorrect facts. Anyways, moving to PMs

I will be Waiting for your PM.

[Dannyvandelft]

@NotBonk Relax man. It's a game, because people play it for entertainment purposes. A simulator game. "Simulation" is a subgenre in videogames. Anyway... I do think the SE release will have some sort of impact on the F-4, but my main question is, will the SE preorder "lock out" the release of the F-4 until SE is released. (+ 1 month minimum separation) I hope not, but we'll see. I haven't decided yet what plane I'm going to buy but I think it will be the most finished one with the least amount of bugs and "soon-later-promises".
 

Yeah I alluded to that earlier on in the thread. Heatblur has said they don't care if the modules release simultaneously, but RAZBAM hasn't. They could very well be wanting ED to delay the Phantom's release.
I have no proof of that, but I wouldn't be surprised.
However, if that is the case, I'd be pissed. I have no interest in the Strike Eagle, so delaying the Phantom for that sole reason would "punish" me and people like me, who have no intention of buying the Strike Eagle. Again, I have no proof of that.

If the Phantom is ready, I'd like to see it released. Regardless of timing of other modules. If it's not ready, it's not ready. But since a 2022 release was targeted, it can't be that far off.

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[ST0RM]

9 hours ago, Dannyvandelft said:

I have no interest in the Strike Eagle

Same. Mainly because of it's developer. 
Bring on the Phantom, as we know it'll eclipse the F-15E

[DD_Fenrir]

The point of this thread escapes me.

If it was planned to elicit a response from Heatblur, then well done, mission accomplished.

Cobra categorically stated the Strike Eagle release will have no impact on the F-4.

Any post thereafter is essentially engaging in a circle-jerk of escalating speculation and insinuations that he's wrong.

The pointlessness of the previous 3 pages of this thread defies comprehension.

[Lurker]

3 minutes ago, DD_Fenrir said:

The point of this thread escapes me.

 

I would usually say "you must be new around here" but I know you're not, so I wont. 

[ST0RM]

2 hours ago, DD_Fenrir said:

The pointlessness of the previous 3 pages of this thread defies comprehension.

And yet you're here, adding to it. Shrug

[Czechnology]

6 hours ago, DD_Fenrir said:

The point of this thread escapes me.

If it was planned to elicit a response from Heatblur, then well done, mission accomplished.

Cobra categorically stated the Strike Eagle release will have no impact on the F-4.

Any post thereafter is essentially engaging in a circle-jerk of escalating speculation and insinuations that he's wrong.

The pointlessness of the previous 3 pages of this thread defies comprehension.

As the page creator, original goal was just to spark fresh conversation. If it got an HB response then more credit to it, but at the time of posting the forum was dying down pretty hard, so made it. However I kind of agree that a good chunk of the conversations past the HB post has been pointless. I will say that talking about who think is going to outsell who isn't the worst conversation, but people saying "erm well actually I think it will anyways" are wasting their time.

 

---But I will highlight that baiting an HB response was never the intentional goal. Just a happy side effect.

Edited February 17, 2023 by Czechnology

[Kalasnkova74]

9 hours ago, DD_Fenrir said:

The point of this thread escapes me.

If it was planned to elicit a response from Heatblur, then well done, mission accomplished.

Cobra categorically stated the Strike Eagle release will have no impact on the F-4.

Any post thereafter is essentially engaging in a circle-jerk of escalating speculation and insinuations that he's wrong.

The pointlessness of the previous 3 pages of this thread defies comprehension.

Well, why stop at three pages? We’ve come this far, let’s make it 4! 

So blah blah blah “Razbam is bad” blah blah “ED might be sequencing the releases anyway in direct contravention of facts disclosed , so the F-4E could be delayed by the F-15E’s delays” etc , insert TOS violating ad hominem of one’s choice here…..

 

/s

[Dannyvandelft]

Stuff like this makes me think I'm right on the money, although it will never be admitted. They want to maximize their income, which the F-4 would definitely diminish if released simultaneously.


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[Bremspropeller]

I can't see why either module would steal any customers away from the other one. Yes, there's a considerable mission-overlap between the two, but I'd hazard a guess that people who are interested in the experience of that mission will end up owning both aircraft anyway.

Those who end up buying just one module are probably not giving a toss about the other aircraft anyhow.

[mondo]

2 hours ago, Bremspropeller said:

I can't see why either module would steal any customers away from the other one. Yes, there's a considerable mission-overlap between the two, but I'd hazard a guess that people who are interested in the experience of that mission will end up owning both aircraft anyway.

Those who end up buying just one module are probably not giving a toss about the other aircraft anyhow.

Exactly this. I don't think anyone who'll buy the Phantom won't if released at the same time as the mudhen. There will be a huge number of people who want that Phantom and will likely not buy the Mudhen and vice versa. You've people like myself who'll likely get both regardless. To delay one for the other would just be really annoying.

[Despayre]

We are talking about less than a tank of gas per module here.

Less than dinner for 3 at any restaurant that doesn't deliver your meal in a bag or a box.

Less than 15 (Starbucks) cups of coffee.

Less than 4 movie tickets.

All for people that have, for the most part, already spent thousands to have the equipment to play the game well in the first place. All this nonsense about costs and concerns about release dates is mind boggling to me. Am I the only one flying who isn't a teenager with a paper route or something??? Sure there's going to be a small handful of ppl that cannot afford $100.00 over 2 months of wages, I guess... but honestly, you're telling me that ppl with video cards that cost the same as my last car are now fretting over the financial decision between 2 jets that have so little in common, that beyond having 2 engines and somewhere for the pilot to sit, are completely different experiences aimed at very different uses and users?? I call bullsh*t on that one. Anyone under 25 that's busting their ass and legitimately cannot afford both,  you're exempt from this mini-rant.  

[Trooper117]

1 hour ago, Despayre said:

We are talking about less than a tank of gas per module here.

Less than dinner for 3 at any restaurant that doesn't deliver your meal in a bag or a box.

Less than 15 (Starbucks) cups of coffee.

Less than 4 movie tickets.

Just wait until you are retired... only living on your pension with much less disposable income, then you might have a different view.

[Despayre]

11 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

Just wait until you are retired... only living on your pension with much less disposable income, then you might have a different view.

If playing a game on a computer is such a hardship for you, perhaps you should find something less costly, like online scrabble. And for the record, I've been self-employed by my companies for 4 decades already, the additional speck of income that comes from a pension is irrelevant to me, and it won't be giving me a different view at all. Maybe your country is a lot cheaper to live in than mine, but all these wasted pixels over less than $100.00 is ridiculous.

[Falconeer]

2 hours ago, Despayre said:

We are talking about less than a tank of gas per module here.

Less than dinner for 3 at any restaurant that doesn't deliver your meal in a bag or a box.

Less than 15 (Starbucks) cups of coffee.

Less than 4 movie tickets.

Maybe in America yes, but not so much here

[Despayre]

Just now, Falconeer said:

Maybe in America yes, but not so much here

I don't live in America thank you very much.

[Stackup]

39 minutes ago, Falconeer said:

Maybe in America yes, but not so much here

Depends which part of America, gas isn't near that much where I am.

[Czechnology]

6 hours ago, Despayre said:

We are talking about less than a tank of gas per module here.

Less than dinner for 3 at any restaurant that doesn't deliver your meal in a bag or a box.

Less than 15 (Starbucks) cups of coffee.

Less than 4 movie tickets.

All for people that have, for the most part, already spent thousands to have the equipment to play the game well in the first place. All this nonsense about costs and concerns about release dates is mind boggling to me. Am I the only one flying who isn't a teenager with a paper route or something??? Sure there's going to be a small handful of ppl that cannot afford $100.00 over 2 months of wages, I guess... but honestly, you're telling me that ppl with video cards that cost the same as my last car are now fretting over the financial decision between 2 jets that have so little in common, that beyond having 2 engines and somewhere for the pilot to sit, are completely different experiences aimed at very different uses and users?? I call bullsh*t on that one. Anyone under 25 that's busting their ass and legitimately cannot afford both,  you're exempt from this mini-rant.  

As someone who's going through college, having to "fill up my tank of gas" two times, then going and ACTUALLY filling up my tank of gas would be a significant bite out of my available cash

[Despayre]

2 hours ago, Czechnology said:

As someone who's going through college, having to "fill up my tank of gas" two times, then going and ACTUALLY filling up my tank of gas would be a significant bite out of my available cash

And I'm sure you're not alone, but I also don't think that your case represents the majority of users that enjoy this software. 

[mondo]

12 hours ago, Czechnology said:

As someone who's going through college, having to "fill up my tank of gas" two times, then going and ACTUALLY filling up my tank of gas would be a significant bite out of my available cash

This isn't directly aimed at you but I don't understand the logic some people are using here. So they shouldn't release the SE and Phantom at the same time because you may need to make a financial decision about which one to get? I appreciate that not everyone will afford to buy both but i'm not sure why it should prevent ED from releasing both at the same time if required for people that will buy both or want one, not the other. It's not like it's a movie with limited cinema release, or a product that you can only buy in a limited fashion and once it's gone, it's gone. It's a digital product. It will still be there in a years time. If you feel you'd be missing out on it, buy that and sacrifice something else in life you feel is a lesser priority.