reported Cockpit ambient light glare: Latest OB

[DUSTY]

Is it just me or is the Mi8 cockpit glare inside windows hindering vision in most daylight conditions?

 

Anyone else experiencing this?

 

 

 

[DUSTY]

There is definitely something bugged about the light reflection on the inside of the Mi-8 windshield glass.

 

 

 

First two images show when the sun is behind the cockpit (backlit) the glass gets internal glare. When terrain obscures the direct sun light the glass glare doesn't change in comparison with the instrument panel lighting.

 

 

 

 

 

These two pics were taken a few seconds apart.

Edited September 2, 2020 by |DUSTY|

[DUSTY]

Other cockpit elements are reflecting the light oddly as well:

 

 

 

Edited September 2, 2020 by |DUSTY|

[paco2002]

It's something weird. Maybe is that the game thinks that behind you there is more windshield, instead of a wall.

[Rogue Trooper]

What time of day were these images taken?

Early morning, late evening or midday?

[DUSTY]

First photo mid morning then the rest were afternoon and then dusk.

 

This occurs in almost all daylight settings but is most prominent when the sun is low on the horizon.

[Devrim]

I think you're using my Black Cockpit mod.

Could you please try this with default cockpit?

 

Thanks.

[DUSTY]

I think you're using my Black Cockpit mod.

Could you please try this with default cockpit?

 

Thanks.

 

 

 

 

Good point, tried it with the default cockpit and experiencing the same issue.

[Knock-Knock]

Im seeing this too. Is as old as 2.5 is. In your case with shadows off, then any low angle sun behind you will cause these milky windows. With shadows on, its less visible, but can still happen.

[DUSTY]

Huh, i've got screenshots and old videos from just a bit earlier in the year (March/April) where I definitely didn't have this issue and I don't believe I changed my graphic settings since then.

 

 

[cfrag]

I haven't flown the Hip for some time, and returning today I've noticed that the cockpit glass becomes next to opaque (perhaps 80%) when the sun shines on it (VR), as if the window panes are excessively dirty. Really dirty, preventing me to see through. This is highly disruptive, and makes flying at morning or evening time next to impossible since up to half of the cockpit windows can't be used (worse: even the downward facing windows), and if landing at the LZ requires a certain direction, it can become impossible. 

So,

• is this a known issue? 
• can I mitigate it somehow? I've tried to disable global cockpit illumination but it did not help
• Is this related to a similar issue I'm having with the F5E Tiger's cockpit "fogging" up when heading towards the sun?

Thank you for any pointers.

[cfrag]

For better illustration, please see this screenshot (left eye)

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[admiki]

1 hour ago, cfrag said:

For better illustration, please see this screenshot (left eye)

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There is a bug where light is coming through the helicopter itself. You can see it in your screenshot, Sun is behind you, yet dash is lit by sunlight.

[Art-J]

@cfrag On my rig, the same thing started happening a few patches ago while I was using custom roughmets fix posted here:

After removing the fix the problem was gone. Do you have any similar cockpit mods or edits installed?

Suggestion two: try out different windscreen options available in special options menu for the Hip, maybe some of them will work better.

[cfrag]

Thank you @admiki and @Art-J - I'm not using any mods at all. Just plain vanilla DCS. It would seem indeed that this is related in a way how sunlight is calculated, as the sun in those images is almost coming from right behind me (i.e. shining through the entire helicopter and rear walls causing the opacity effect. In some of my missions that's unfortunately a show-stop and I hope that a fix is in the works.

[MoleUK]

On 2/4/2023 at 10:47 AM, cfrag said:

Thank you @admiki and @Art-J - I'm not using any mods at all. Just plain vanilla DCS. It would seem indeed that this is related in a way how sunlight is calculated, as the sun in those images is almost coming from right behind me (i.e. shining through the entire helicopter and rear walls causing the opacity effect. In some of my missions that's unfortunately a show-stop and I hope that a fix is in the works.

It's due to current DCS lighting problems with shadows off. Use this mod to fix it: https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3328443/

It's a universal mod so will affect all modules. Delete lines 87 and 88 as described. This also gets rid of the terrible looking baked in reflections in the huey, and will semi delete the dogtags hanging over the windows in the hip.

Edited February 21, 2023 by MoleUK

[cfrag]

50 minutes ago, MoleUK said:

Use this mod to fix it:

Thank you! Huh, so we are now mucking with GLSL shader code - that's a blast from the past (although that particular dialect seems a bit off [EDIT: it's HLSL, not GLSL], guess I need to brush up my old, near-forgotten skills). It's been a while, but to me writing shaders was a weird mix of frustration and exhilaration  

Looks like I can also shave a couple of cycles for my VR if I change line 97 to "finalColor = 0.0;" -- only one way to find out.  

Let's hope that ED fixes this soon.

Edited February 21, 2023 by cfrag

[cfrag]

Ha! Yes! Thank you, works like a charm.

[MoleUK]

21 hours ago, cfrag said:

Ha! Yes! Thank you, works like a charm.

Good to hear, from what I understand it fixes similar problems in other cockpits with shadows off. The hip is just a particularly egregious example of it.

Glad not to have to look at those very, very low res baked in reflections in the huey as well now.

[cfrag]

On 2/22/2023 at 11:26 AM, MoleUK said:

from what I understand it fixes similar problems in other cockpits with shadows off.

It definitely also resolves the Tiger's 'dirty glass' issue that made it next to unusable when flying at certain angles to the sun. And it's generally a relief (for me) to fly without all those other annoying cockpit reflections that do little to increase my flight experience but a lot to gunk up my view with effects (perhaps a drop in realism, definitely a rise in fun for me).

[MoleUK]

On 2/24/2023 at 1:12 PM, cfrag said:

It definitely also resolves the Tiger's 'dirty glass' issue that made it next to unusable when flying at certain angles to the sun. And it's generally a relief (for me) to fly without all those other annoying cockpit reflections that do little to increase my flight experience but a lot to gunk up my view with effects (perhaps a drop in realism, definitely a rise in fun for me).

Just to give you a heads up, the glass mod now fails IC so you will start running into this problem again with shadows off for now.

[cfrag]

51 minutes ago, MoleUK said:

the glass mod now fails IC

Now that is disappointing. So the entire shader folder is out of bounds now?

[MoleUK]

2 hours ago, cfrag said:

Now that is disappointing. So the entire shader folder is out of bounds now?

I'm assuming so. Possibly other folders as well.

[BIGNEWY]

threads merged, this has been reported

[Lasko]

I'm seeing this effect which seems intended to be a reflection from the interior of the glass.  It's putting a heavy brownish fog on the windows and blocking them completely at times.  This will disappear I believe when the sun is behind a cloud, then reappears.  I think this brown haze is at least part of the general haze problem from the past months.

Is this intended to work this way?  I can't think of any case where glass becomes opaque from being lit by the sun.