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markturner1960

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I am enduring another slightly frustrating afternoon of Harrier training whereby whatever you have seen on a tutorial or read in a guide does not happen when you enter the sim......cut to an hour or so later and here I am asking for some more help to figure it out......😀

So I am working on using Markpoints and target points to designate for weapons. I am using a range training mission and the JTAC on the range has given me a target. I have loaded it to the ATHS and the target appears on my Kneeboard and on the recall page. 

Next step is to go to the EHSD page, press data and using the ODU, I press button 1 to scroll through WYPT, W/OS, TGPT, which I select. However, I dont get a T number showing on the EHSD, its saying W1.

Why is the target point not showing? I am in air to ground, Master arm live, etc

The Harrier is a great jet but of all the modules the most frustrating to learn as I have this experience EVERY time......

Thank you

 

System specs: PC1 :Scan 3XS Ryzen 5900X, 64GB Corsair veng DDR4 3600, EVGA GTX 3090 Win 10, Quest Pro, Samsung Odyssey G9 Neo monitor. Tir5. PC2 ( Helo) Scan 3XS Intel 9900 K, 32 GB Ram, 2080Ti, 50 inch Phillips monitor

 F/A-18C: Rhino FFB base TianHang F16 grip, Winwing MP 1, F-18 throttle, TO & Combat panels, MFG crosswind & DFB Aces  seat :cool:                       

Viper: WinWing MFSSB base with F-16 grip, Winwing F-16 throttle, plus Vipergear ICP. MFG crosswind rudders. 

Helo ( Apache) set up: Virpil collective with AH64D grip, Cyclic : Rhino FFB base & TM F18 grip, MFG crosswind rudders, Total controls AH64 MFD's,  TEDAC Unit. 

 

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So without seeing what you are doing, it's difficult to know but when you press data on ESHD you are entering a data update/change mode so cycling through the ODU options is for editing points. If you are in wypt selection and want to start cycling through targetpoints you need to long press wypt increment and then went wypt mrkpoint and tpoint appear on ODU press target point (or whatever you are after) and then use short press wypt increment to move off currently selected wypt onto the targets points. Continual presses of wypt increment now will cycle through your target points only. Same process for changing between any of the points. 


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Thanks, I appreciate its tricky without watching! I was missing the long press on the WP inc, so just tried as described, I get the 3 options in the ODU, but can only select waypoints, if I try and click next to markpoint or target point, I dont get  the semi colon. And pressing WP inc short simply cycles the waypoints. 

I am pretty certain I have imported the target as the nine line kneeboard has appeared.

System specs: PC1 :Scan 3XS Ryzen 5900X, 64GB Corsair veng DDR4 3600, EVGA GTX 3090 Win 10, Quest Pro, Samsung Odyssey G9 Neo monitor. Tir5. PC2 ( Helo) Scan 3XS Intel 9900 K, 32 GB Ram, 2080Ti, 50 inch Phillips monitor

 F/A-18C: Rhino FFB base TianHang F16 grip, Winwing MP 1, F-18 throttle, TO & Combat panels, MFG crosswind & DFB Aces  seat :cool:                       

Viper: WinWing MFSSB base with F-16 grip, Winwing F-16 throttle, plus Vipergear ICP. MFG crosswind rudders. 

Helo ( Apache) set up: Virpil collective with AH64D grip, Cyclic : Rhino FFB base & TM F18 grip, MFG crosswind rudders, Total controls AH64 MFD's,  TEDAC Unit. 

 

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again, with a little uncertainty of where you are up to.....

 

If you have the list of targets imported into the aircraft, once you have done the long press, you need to go back to the ODU and press recall, and then USE. This will import the data into a target point. Then press the arrow down on the left of ODU and the marker should move down one line. again, press USE and it should become TGT 2. and so on.

I am away from the jet at present, but you may also need to select the number for the target point too on the UFC as you go through the sequence. Once you have got it to work, its very satisfying to use so persevere with it.

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Thanks...just about got it now! Is this documented anywhere? 

System specs: PC1 :Scan 3XS Ryzen 5900X, 64GB Corsair veng DDR4 3600, EVGA GTX 3090 Win 10, Quest Pro, Samsung Odyssey G9 Neo monitor. Tir5. PC2 ( Helo) Scan 3XS Intel 9900 K, 32 GB Ram, 2080Ti, 50 inch Phillips monitor

 F/A-18C: Rhino FFB base TianHang F16 grip, Winwing MP 1, F-18 throttle, TO & Combat panels, MFG crosswind & DFB Aces  seat :cool:                       

Viper: WinWing MFSSB base with F-16 grip, Winwing F-16 throttle, plus Vipergear ICP. MFG crosswind rudders. 

Helo ( Apache) set up: Virpil collective with AH64D grip, Cyclic : Rhino FFB base & TM F18 grip, MFG crosswind rudders, Total controls AH64 MFD's,  TEDAC Unit. 

 

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It did not appear to be, so for anyone else in my situation I have enclosed a kneeboard page detailing this procedure. Hope it helps and thank you for your help Hoirtel.

ONe quick question relating - in Chucks guide, regarding the DMT, once a target is designated using the DMT, long press of WP INC will create that target as TP 0.  As I noticed in my procedures, above and as outlined, T0 was created as soon as I pressed WP INC long, which is why I refer in my notes to entering TP1. 

Does anytime you have a target designated by a sensor, pressing WP INC long assign that target to T0 ? Or if you had say already entered 4 TP's, would it assign the next, IE TP5? 

Finally, on the CAS page, what does using the up / down arrows do? I can see the information on the page changing but in my case, I had only made one target point, so what was the information shown and why was it changing? 

Harrier ATHS & Target Points.pdf


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System specs: PC1 :Scan 3XS Ryzen 5900X, 64GB Corsair veng DDR4 3600, EVGA GTX 3090 Win 10, Quest Pro, Samsung Odyssey G9 Neo monitor. Tir5. PC2 ( Helo) Scan 3XS Intel 9900 K, 32 GB Ram, 2080Ti, 50 inch Phillips monitor

 F/A-18C: Rhino FFB base TianHang F16 grip, Winwing MP 1, F-18 throttle, TO & Combat panels, MFG crosswind & DFB Aces  seat :cool:                       

Viper: WinWing MFSSB base with F-16 grip, Winwing F-16 throttle, plus Vipergear ICP. MFG crosswind rudders. 

Helo ( Apache) set up: Virpil collective with AH64D grip, Cyclic : Rhino FFB base & TM F18 grip, MFG crosswind rudders, Total controls AH64 MFD's,  TEDAC Unit. 

 

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So the long press will always designate T0. I tend to think of this as the quick system designated target point as it really can only be done like this and will be overwritten on next long press. 

I must admit I haven't used the CAS page enough recently. Something I keep meaning to go back and train on. I mostly use store targetpoints using the TOO button on the UFC. Press TDC depress only and then quickly store these as TOOs for later recall or JDAM ripple. 

Using the wypt Inc long and switching to target points means you can cycle through them press the designate button on the MFD and get straight back on it. This way of working can make for very quick multi weapon deployment.

 

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