intographics Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 (edited) Hey there fellow Pilots, I want to buy a new PC for DCS World and want to ask you to give your opinion on that. Will this PC (url) have enough POWER to run DCS without any problems? Thanks in advantage! https://reduxgaming.nl/gaming-pc/redux-gamer-a57x-r47t/?utm_source=vergelijk_nl&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=[50533-RG-A57X-R47T][ad12c3b1-0af6-4ef5-89aa-3144dbf0f5e1] Edited February 23, 2023 by intographics MacPro3,1 - Mountain Lion 10.8.2 - bootcamp 5 - Windows 8 x64 • Quad-Core Intel Xeon 2.8 GHz • Processors: 2 • Total Number Of Cores: 8 • L2 Cache (per processor): 12 MB • Memory: 6 GB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cab Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 Define "without any problems" Ignoring that qualifier, yes, that PC should work. Depending on how you play, you might want to increase RAM to 32GB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intographics Posted February 23, 2023 Author Share Posted February 23, 2023 (edited) Cab, thanks for your reply! I will upgrade the RAM to the MAX of 32 GB. Edited February 26, 2023 by intographics 1 MacPro3,1 - Mountain Lion 10.8.2 - bootcamp 5 - Windows 8 x64 • Quad-Core Intel Xeon 2.8 GHz • Processors: 2 • Total Number Of Cores: 8 • L2 Cache (per processor): 12 MB • Memory: 6 GB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derneuemann Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 Would you also like to fly in VR? I5 13400F, 32GB DDR5 6200 CL30, RTX4070ti Super 2x 1tb m.2 (PCIe4.0) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intographics Posted February 23, 2023 Author Share Posted February 23, 2023 (edited) I did not thought about that yet. For VR i need better specs? Edited February 23, 2023 by intographics MacPro3,1 - Mountain Lion 10.8.2 - bootcamp 5 - Windows 8 x64 • Quad-Core Intel Xeon 2.8 GHz • Processors: 2 • Total Number Of Cores: 8 • L2 Cache (per processor): 12 MB • Memory: 6 GB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derneuemann Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 Not mandatory, but 32GB Ram instead of 16GB will help. 12GB VRam is enough, but that's not lavish. An RTX3090 might be a better choice over the 4070TI. I5 13400F, 32GB DDR5 6200 CL30, RTX4070ti Super 2x 1tb m.2 (PCIe4.0) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beirut Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 52 minutes ago, derneuemann said: Not mandatory, but 32GB Ram instead of 16GB will help. 12GB VRam is enough, but that's not lavish. An RTX3090 might be a better choice over the 4070TI. You can get a 4070ti here for $1250 and a 3090 costs about $2000. And I think they perform in the same ballpark. It's pretty weird. And I really noticed the goodness when I went from 16GB to 32GB with the new maps. Some of the planes, but all of the maps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derneuemann Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 vor einer Stunde schrieb Beirut: You can get a 4070ti here for $1250 and a 3090 costs about $2000. And I think they perform in the same ballpark. It's pretty weird. And I really noticed the goodness when I went from 16GB to 32GB with the new maps. Wow, is the 3090 that expensive for you? You can't get them new here... You can get them new somewhere else. Anyway, just wanted to mention that 12GB can get tight in VR. I5 13400F, 32GB DDR5 6200 CL30, RTX4070ti Super 2x 1tb m.2 (PCIe4.0) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitMaster Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 (edited) The drawback of the 4070ti is it's limited bandwidth of 192bit, that's where the 3080's and better 3xxx GPU's still have an edge with up to 384bits. It's ment to be that way, ala "If you want more, pay more!" that kind of strategy. Edited February 23, 2023 by BitMaster Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Sapphire Nitro+ 7800XT - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus XG27ACG QHD 180Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beirut Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 4 hours ago, derneuemann said: Wow, is the 3090 that expensive for you? You can't get them new here... You can get them new somewhere else. Anyway, just wanted to mention that 12GB can get tight in VR. A 3070ti here often costs as much on Amazon (and even newegg) as a 4070ti. 3080s cost more, and 3090s cost wayyyy more. And those are prices for cards sold by Amazon off their shelves. It's all messed up. 1 Some of the planes, but all of the maps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derneuemann Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 vor 10 Stunden schrieb Beirut: A 3070ti here often costs as much on Amazon (and even newegg) as a 4070ti. 3080s cost more, and 3090s cost wayyyy more. And those are prices for cards sold by Amazon off their shelves. It's all messed up. I myself am also faced with the problem of which card it should be. I only got a 3060ti to bridge the gap. My thoughts are all about VR! The 4070TI has a slim memory interface and only 12GB, making things tight. I would only buy a 3090 used from someone I know, where I'm sure what they did with it. Only the RX6900XT and 6950XT are new. I don't spend more than 800-900€ just for a GPU. There are many contradicting statements about AMD, about the VR performance, which makes it very difficult. If the 4070TI had 16GB there would be no consideration, but as it is, for VR it's just tight and I don't think it will get any better once ED has switched to Vulkan. That's why I'm currently leaning towards a new 6900XT, but I'm still hesitating with a used 3090. 1 I5 13400F, 32GB DDR5 6200 CL30, RTX4070ti Super 2x 1tb m.2 (PCIe4.0) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beirut Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 3 hours ago, derneuemann said: I myself am also faced with the problem of which card it should be. I only got a 3060ti to bridge the gap. My thoughts are all about VR! The 4070TI has a slim memory interface and only 12GB, making things tight. I would only buy a 3090 used from someone I know, where I'm sure what they did with it. Only the RX6900XT and 6950XT are new. I don't spend more than 800-900€ just for a GPU. There are many contradicting statements about AMD, about the VR performance, which makes it very difficult. If the 4070TI had 16GB there would be no consideration, but as it is, for VR it's just tight and I don't think it will get any better once ED has switched to Vulkan. That's why I'm currently leaning towards a new 6900XT, but I'm still hesitating with a used 3090. It really is a tough one to figure out. Probably the hardest part to decide on. Should you be reasonable or go for broke and spend every penny in your budget? And admittedly, getting a fancy new video card is good fun. I was playing with my settings yesterday and got another ~20fps and the sim still looks great, so is it worth buying anything new at all? Also, I'm curious if any possible core updates - in next week's update? - will help squeeze more performance out of the card I have. I don't want to go OT too much, but it does have a bearing on video card decisions; I lowered all my settings and res to 1080p and was flying solo at 144fps, where my monitor maxes out. I turned on those the fancy settings you're not supposed to turn on (MSAA & SSAA, etc.) and went to about 35fps. I lost 110 fps with one plane flying on a quiet part of the map. So short of a 4090, I can't imagine maxing out this sim. That's okay, it leaves room to grow. But it does mean that unless I spend a WHOMPING! amount of cash, I'll still have to turn some things off. It does provide food for thought. Some of the planes, but all of the maps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucShep Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 (edited) If you intend to use DCS framerate matched to your monitor's maximum refresh (144 FPS), then sorry to inform but that may not happen within this decade! LOL Maybe use VRR (G-Sync or FreeSync) with FPS limited to 60, or even 80 if it runs that good. That'll keep framerate far stable and smoother, far less flutuations (if any). In regards to the RTX4070Ti vs RTX3090, both seem to perform similar overall, but there are very significant differences, which can sway preferences towards one or the other. The RTX4070Ti is newer, is much lighter on wattage feed demands (doesn't draw as much power), runs cooler and has the newest DLSS 3.x feature. The RTX3090 is older, eats more watts and runs hotter, but it has double the VRAM (24GB vs 12GB) and double the memory bus bandwidth (384-bit vs 192-bit), which are important aspects for 4K and also VR, and IMO makes it still a better choice for the longer term, even if DLSS 3.x is not supported, only up to DLSS 2.x. Note that DCS doesn't even feature DLSS, which kind of makes the whole feature version a moot point. I'd definitely recommend a used RTX3090 if DCS is your primary hobbie and you're limited to that kind of budget for a GPU (~750€), though remember to use it undervolted (performs even better, while running cooler and consuming less wattage), and with a good quality ≥850W PSU for the least (1000W prefered). Regarding the "buying used", yes scams and lemons exhist, also with GPUs, but it's one in over a thousand. I'd recommend EBAY for 2nd hand GPUs (see the seller's reputation and enquire him/her, always!), because of their "money back guarantee" feature, which can also be reinforced by paying with Paypal (excelent customer support). AMAZON has also used GPUs, their policies applying to those as well (AFAIK). Also, manufacturer warranties on used GPUs still remain, from two to five years from manufacturing date (so long it hasn't been modded), depending on model and user register. Edited February 24, 2023 by LucShep DCS 2.5.6 (a lighter alternative) | A-10A cockpit retexture | Shadows Reduced Impact | CGTC - Caucasus retexture Spoiler Win10 Pro x64 | Intel i7 12700K (OC@ 5.1/5.0p + 4.0e) | 64GB DDR4 (OC@ 3700 CL17 Crucial Ballistix) | RTX 3090 24GB EVGA FTW3 Ultra | 2TB NVMe (MP600 Pro XT) + 500GB SSD (WD Blue) + 3TB HDD (Toshiba P300) + 1TB HDD (WD Blue) | Corsair RMX 850W | Asus Z690 TUF+ D4 | TR PA120SE | Fractal Meshify-C | UAD Volt1 + Sennheiser HD-599SE | 7x USB 3.0 Hub | 50'' 4K Philips 7608/12 UHD TV (+Head Tracking) | HP Reverb G1 Pro (VR) | TM Warthog + Logitech X56 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beirut Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 1 hour ago, LucShep said: If you intend to use DCS framerate matched to your monitor's maximum refresh (144 FPS), then sorry to inform but that may not happen within this decade! LOL Maybe use VRR (G-Sync or FreeSync) with FPS limited to 60, or even 80 if it runs that good. That'll keep framerate far stable and smoother, far less flutuations (if any). For my part I have no expectations of running DCS at 144fps. But when you're up in the 70s and 80s it sure does feel smooth. Some of the planes, but all of the maps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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