Alternative fire mode for ATAKA /SHTURM ?

[Deimos]

Did i miss something all the time ? there is another "fire-mode " for missiles ?

"internet" says about ATAKA and SHTURM:

The missile flies above the gunner's line of sight to the target. With the range of the target determined by the laser rangefinder,()the missile descends onto the target just before impact. This is done primarily to clear obstacles, instead of achieving a top-attack, and can be switched off. 

Is something of this true ? Will there be another fire mode one day for this module ?

 

[admiki]

1 hour ago, Deimos said:

Did i miss something all the time ? there is another "fire-mode " for missiles ?

"internet" says about ATAKA and SHTURM:

The missile flies above the gunner's line of sight to the target. With the range of the target determined by the laser rangefinder,()the missile descends onto the target just before impact. This is done primarily to clear obstacles, instead of achieving a top-attack, and can be switched off. 

Is something of this true ? Will there be another fire mode one day for this module ?

 

Where did you find this?

Mi-24/35 is pure LOS guidance

[Deimos]

wikipedia

[Dragon1-1]

There's no source for that claim, therefore it's impossible to say where it comes from. However, it's quite possible it's simply incorrect. There's no switch in the Mi-24 that does this. Maybe the Mi-28 with its Ataka missiles can do it.

[Quati]

3 hours ago, Deimos said:

Did i miss something all the time ? there is another "fire-mode " for missiles ?

"internet" says about ATAKA and SHTURM:

The missile flies above the gunner's line of sight to the target. With the range of the target determined by the laser rangefinder,()the missile descends onto the target just before impact. This is done primarily to clear obstacles, instead of achieving a top-attack, and can be switched off. 

Is something of this true ? Will there be another fire mode one day for this module ?

 

I think that's for the ground based launch system like Shturm-S MT-LS.

https://www.armedconflicts.com/9K114-Shturm-S-t20165

 

https://www.army-technology.com/projects/shturm/

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The Shturm-S missile is outfitted with the Pyl software programme that ensures the missile proceeds on an overfly trajectory until it approaches the target, allowing the gunner to acquire and maintain tracking on the target in limited visibility conditions.

 

Edited April 28, 2023 by Quati

[Logan54]

seems like fake, no laser transmitter(receiver) for this on Hind (missile) so seems like somebody`s joke) If there means about laser rangefinder, this not mean about laser T/R for missile, different systems as for me. If this is the truth, you shoud to use Shturm missile for doing this. But even with this, Sturm rockets going by flat line tragectory..but I like this Idea)

[AeriaGloria]

9 hours ago, Logan54 said:

seems like fake, no laser transmitter(receiver) for this on Hind (missile) so seems like somebody`s joke) If there means about laser rangefinder, this not mean about laser T/R for missile, different systems as for me. If this is the truth, you shoud to use Shturm missile for doing this. But even with this, Sturm rockets going by flat line tragectory..but I like this Idea)

It isn’t fake. The Shturm S transmitter will loft the missile for the first few moments of its flight the exact same way a CPG can loft a ATGM in DCS right now, by raising the sight above the target and lowering the sight back on target after a few seconds. The real life manual even describes how many mils and seconds to do this for certain ranges.

Here is a description of how it works with Shturm S “but a "Shturm-S" tank destroyer, normally situated in a hull-down position during combat, had its launch post raised just a meter above ground level. According to the results of studies by TsAGI specialists, a dust trail can form when the missile flies at an altitude of less than 6 meters. To prevent this from occurring, the "Shturm-S" guidance equipment includes a special "Dust" mode, whereby the launcher automatically introduces a certain angular offset in its tracking algorithm to ensure that the missile flies at an altitude of at least 6 meters above the operator's line of sight. The missile then descends back onto the line of sight at a distance of 500-700 meters from the target. The range to the target is measured using stadiametric rangefinder markings in the operator's sight and inputted to the system in 500-meter increments via a dial”

In addition. About 15 years ago or so Ataka did start getting made with an additional laser sensor in the back. This way it can use radio or laser, and even work with Ka-52. How else could Ka-52 fire it? 
 

Regular Ataka rear, the bulb in the middle is the 1700v ISK-200-1 Xenon lamp, it emits near IR pulses for the Raduga periscope to see location and confirm frequency. To the side is a conical horn used for recieving the radio commands as an antenna. 

And here, you can see an additional laser receiver for beam riding that was added to later models

 

Here is video of it firing, notice how it automatically lifts despite crosshairs not moving from target. This isn’t a capability of the missile, this is the capability of Mi-35M/28 to use laser range finder, and like Shturm S loft the missile for a certian amount of time based on range/temperature/humidity. 

 

Here in Syria 

 

You might not see this in every video becuase it’s an OSB MFD option using only software. 
 

You see the same behavior and other Ataka firings here. You might also notice the Xenon lamp on the back flashing. The missile has 10 different radio codes/frequencies it can use, and the lamp will flash in that frequency to tell the Raduga periscope that it’s talking to the right missile 

 

 

with a good camera the xenon lamp is pretty cool the thing behind the missile is the spent booster falling off 

   This new version with laser should have identical performance as ours. So we don’t need to feel like we are missing out on much As you can see in Syria video, it cannot lift terminally like a hellfire. It’s bang bang single axis controls are just too slow to make adjustments, so it can only truly hit its 0.5m accuracy once it’s stabilized for half a second or so. 
 

 

Edited May 3, 2023 by AeriaGloria