Indianajon Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 3 hours ago, Dannyvandelft said: Yeah noticed that too. Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk Me also. Does seem excessive although maybe it's just because of what we have got used too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparrowLT Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 Also im getting now G-loc blackout on every cat shot Before last update it happent ocasionally.. now its on every cat shot wich coupled with the pitch up and that the blackout are longer than before..this will eventualy end wrong.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarthogOsl Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 19 hours ago, Nealius said: On cat shots the nose is going very high with neutral trim, hands off stick. Before the patch, the fixed-T would hit about 15° on the HUD ladder, AoA maxing at about 15 units, nose stable once it reaches nose-high attitude. After the patch, the fixed-T hits 19-20° on the HUD ladder, AoA maxing around 17-18 units, nose falls down to or below 15° instead of staying stable. Intended FM update? Same here. Its very violent...I wonder if this is a side effect of the landing gear tuning. Seems like maybe the compressed nose gear strut is re-extending way too hard after it's released from the catapult shuttle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indianajon Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 6 hours ago, SparrowLT said: Also im getting now G-loc blackout on every cat shot Before last update it happent ocasionally.. now its on every cat shot wich coupled with the pitch up and that the blackout are longer than before..this will eventualy end wrong.. Hey @SparrowLT what is your load out/ airframe model? Ive not had this issue so i am wondering if you are potentially overstressing yourself? In the A model you generally want full afterburner although if you are fairly clean you can drop to zone 2. In the B model you want it in mil power only. hope this helps and good luck with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nealius Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 4 hours ago, WarthogOsl said: Same here. Its very violent...I wonder if this is a side effect of the landing gear tuning. Seems like maybe the compressed nose gear strut is re-extending way too hard after it's released from the catapult shuttle. I'm not sure, I tried the suspension preview .lua that Heatblur posted here before the Open Beta update and cat shots were normal with that modified .lua file. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparrowLT Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 yesterday for example it was all F-14B ..i allways launch at mil as procedure in the B and the load was 2XAIM9 1XAIM-7 1-TPOD 2XGBU-24 and 2XGBU-16 for strike roles and also 2XAIM-9 2XAIm-7 and 4XAIM-54 ..all with 2 external tanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callsign JoNay Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 There's a bug report in the bugs forum about the Cat shot black out. It seems it's caused if you're over 60k gross weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clunk1001 Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Callsign JoNay said: There's a bug report in the bugs forum about the Cat shot black out. It seems it's caused if you're over 60k gross weight. @Callsign JoNay, you meant Aircraft gross weight, right? Edited May 21, 2023 by Clunk1001 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain_dalan Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 On 5/19/2023 at 7:26 PM, Scotia said: I hope these items get addressed in the next round of ground handling updates! What are the sources for these? The flight manuals for the A and the B models. Modules: FC3, Mirage 2000C, Harrier AV-8B NA, F-5, AJS-37 Viggen, F-14B, F-14A, Combined Arms, F/A-18C, F-16C, MiG-19P, F-86, MiG-15, FW-190A, Spitfire Mk IX, UH-1 Huey, Su-25, P-51PD, Caucasus map, Nevada map, Persian Gulf map, Marianas map, Syria Map, Super Carrier, Sinai map, Mosquito, P-51, AH-64 Apache Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarthogOsl Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 5 hours ago, Callsign JoNay said: There's a bug report in the bugs forum about the Cat shot black out. It seems it's caused if you're over 60k gross weight. Is there one for the pitch up yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarthogOsl Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 FWIW, here's a launch with the elevator trim set to 0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta59R Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 Idk if this happened with this update or a past one but at one point the 14B would do a TS/GS of 1340 @40kft and now it only will do 1180 clean. Meshify C w Noctua Fans, MSI Carbon Z790, 13900KS, 64gb 7200 Gskill, MSI 4090, MSI 240, Sam 1tb m2, Sam 512 m2, Seasonic 1000w, MSFF2 Stick + X56 Throttle, HP Reverb G2, Sony 83in A90J OLED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spurts Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 1196 clean is correct per NAVAIR 00-110AF14-2. 1038 with tanks. 1314 clean is correct for the F-14A per the -1 of the same document printed in 1974. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta59R Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 10 hours ago, Spurts said: 1196 clean is correct per NAVAIR 00-110AF14-2. 1038 with tanks. 1314 clean is correct for the F-14A per the -1 of the same document printed in 1974. Interesting, what pages? Meshify C w Noctua Fans, MSI Carbon Z790, 13900KS, 64gb 7200 Gskill, MSI 4090, MSI 240, Sam 1tb m2, Sam 512 m2, Seasonic 1000w, MSFF2 Stick + X56 Throttle, HP Reverb G2, Sony 83in A90J OLED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom88 Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 New Suspension is GREAT!!!! I’m Bouncing that Big Cat like a OG !!!! 2 Patrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiob Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 On 5/18/2023 at 2:24 PM, IronMike said: I don't know tbh, you would have to ask a pilot. From my understanding they did not hear much else than the ECS. But sound in games is a good way to replace haptic feedback. Like for example hearing the AB kick in, whereas irl you would not as much hear it as you would feel it. Thank you, thank you, thank you! Hearing that very important point from an actual developer is ambrosia to me. Spread the word!!! 1 "Muß ich denn jedes Mal, wenn ich sauge oder saugblase den Schlauchstecker in die Schlauchnut schieben?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta59R Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 11 hours ago, Spurts said: 1196 clean is correct per NAVAIR 00-110AF14-2. 1038 with tanks. 1314 clean is correct for the F-14A per the -1 of the same document printed in 1974. Per the April 1977 Navair, F-14A is 1170 clean.. seems there are variations in the testing data. Then you have wiki saying 2.34 and MATS saying 2.38. Another Navair for the D model showing a hard wall at 2.0, seems it's all over the place. So when did the DCS "B" model get nerfed? From 1340 to 1180? Meshify C w Noctua Fans, MSI Carbon Z790, 13900KS, 64gb 7200 Gskill, MSI 4090, MSI 240, Sam 1tb m2, Sam 512 m2, Seasonic 1000w, MSFF2 Stick + X56 Throttle, HP Reverb G2, Sony 83in A90J OLED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spurts Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Delta59R said: Per the April 1977 Navair, F-14A is 1170 clean.. seems there are variations in the testing data. Then you have wiki saying 2.34 and MATS saying 2.38. Another Navair for the D model showing a hard wall at 2.0, seems it's all over the place. So when did the DCS "B" model get nerfed? From 1340 to 1180? The 1977 says it's a placard limit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta59R Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 19 minutes ago, Spurts said: The 1977 says it's a placard limit. Yep, the 74 says 2.25 @39kft and the 77 says 2.25 @ 48kft both for the A. Can you link or screen shot the B? Meshify C w Noctua Fans, MSI Carbon Z790, 13900KS, 64gb 7200 Gskill, MSI 4090, MSI 240, Sam 1tb m2, Sam 512 m2, Seasonic 1000w, MSFF2 Stick + X56 Throttle, HP Reverb G2, Sony 83in A90J OLED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fat creason Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 2 hours ago, Delta59R said: So when did the DCS "B" model get nerfed? From 1340 to 1180? Please don't use the term "nerf", this isn't WOW. Read this and educate yourself instead: https://heatblur.se/fmupdate 6 Systems Engineer & FM Modeler Heatblur Simulations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta59R Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 8 minutes ago, fat creason said: Please don't use the term "nerf", this isn't WOW. Read this and educate yourself instead: https://heatblur.se/fmupdate That details the A model, my question was about the B model. Meshify C w Noctua Fans, MSI Carbon Z790, 13900KS, 64gb 7200 Gskill, MSI 4090, MSI 240, Sam 1tb m2, Sam 512 m2, Seasonic 1000w, MSFF2 Stick + X56 Throttle, HP Reverb G2, Sony 83in A90J OLED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fat creason Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 (edited) We'll have a shorter post about the B soon, but the B isn't as fast at the top end as the A. However, the B has better acceleration to reach top speed. You can easily see it in the charts if you google them. Edited May 22, 2023 by fat creason Systems Engineer & FM Modeler Heatblur Simulations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta59R Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 5 minutes ago, fat creason said: We'll have a shorter post about the B soon, but the B isn't as fast at the top end as the A. You can easily see it in the charts if you google them. Look, I feel like I'm asking the question as simply as I can. When did the B model top speed get dropped, adjusted, nerfed, (whatever you want to call it)? At one point in heatblur documentation the B was speced @ mach 2.38 and could do 1340gs clean at 40kft in sim. Why did it change? Why was it what it was at First? I know you guys do a lot of research so what made you guys think 2.34/ 2.38 was the magic number to being with? Great!, the A is faster, cool! I don't care! I just want to understand the questions above! Meshify C w Noctua Fans, MSI Carbon Z790, 13900KS, 64gb 7200 Gskill, MSI 4090, MSI 240, Sam 1tb m2, Sam 512 m2, Seasonic 1000w, MSFF2 Stick + X56 Throttle, HP Reverb G2, Sony 83in A90J OLED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fat creason Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 Over the past few months we did some tuning to bring both aircraft as close to the charts as possible, there's nothing else to really say. 1 Systems Engineer & FM Modeler Heatblur Simulations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta59R Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 4 minutes ago, fat creason said: Over the past few months we did some tuning to bring both aircraft as close to the charts as possible, there's nothing else to really say. What charts were you using to model the B originally? Meshify C w Noctua Fans, MSI Carbon Z790, 13900KS, 64gb 7200 Gskill, MSI 4090, MSI 240, Sam 1tb m2, Sam 512 m2, Seasonic 1000w, MSFF2 Stick + X56 Throttle, HP Reverb G2, Sony 83in A90J OLED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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