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Seriously. I was watching a special on area 51 where these two guys were trying to probe what's really going on there. They even tailed an employee to his home. Anyway...it's boring until they filmed a Mig-29 flying out of there early in the moring. It's very brief but it's definitely a Mig-29 pulling some maneuver.

 

Ok, I thought it was odd.

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Seriously. I was watching a special on area 51 where these two guys were trying to probe what's really going on there. They even tailed an employee to his home. Anyway...it's boring until they filmed a Mig-29 flying out of there early in the moring. It's very brief but it's definitely a Mig-29 pulling some maneuver.

 

Ok, I thought it was odd.

 

Assuming they still do testing there it makes a lot of sense for a MiG to be there. Probably not being tested itself, but being tested against some new gadget or other. For instance, what better way to test the low observable features of the JSF (or whatever) than by throwing a MiG at it?

 

Still be rather cool to see, of course.

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Re: OT - Mig-29 sighted flying over Area 51!

 

Could well be.

 

 

The USAF operated some MiGs that they "acquired" during the Cold War, but I hadn't heard of them acquiring any MiG29's in a covert way.

 

 

They did buy half a squadron - MiG29A's and MiG29UB's - from a former tinpot republic that was shutting down it's airforce. It is conceivable that they cannibalised them enough to get one flying, but they were in a very sorry state when they got to the US . . . .

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The German Air Force was more often guest In the USA with their MiG-29A of the JG73 "Steinhoff" before you donated your MiGs to Poland at last year! :D

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Wouldn't even need to pull of something FireFox-ish.

 

"You must think in Russian..." :D

 

Hey Stormin it was you ?? in the mig :D that is you new job ??

 

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The Redhats flew much older types, years ago. I mean captured Mig-15/17/21/23, Su-17 and so on (most were from Arab-Israeli wars)... I never knew they had modernized their machines

 

The Germans operate some Mig-29 and Phantoms at Holloman AFB, New Mexico. They're there for training purposes, since on the German soil there are strong limitations on training (like over most urban areas). The curious thing is that they fly with USAF markings (even if they're German) because of insurance issues. (to be covered by insurance companies in case of mishaps)

 

But it could be true that the USAF is now operating some Mig-29 as aggressors. Do you remember those 21 MiG-29 acquired from the Republic of Moldova in 1997? They were flown to Wright Patterson AFB aboard C-17 and then there is little known about them.

 

Keep in mind that the USN has dismissed all its F-16N aggressors, there are just a bunch of Hornets painted as aggressors at Fallon (one of the squadrons there was also shut down). The USAF has also dismissed most of its aggressor squadrons.

 

I don't know what has happened to those Mig-29s (maybe they were just scrapped) but I don't think the USAF has missed this chance to get the most accurate aggressor aircraft. The Mig-29 had already been evaluated by USAF pilots during their training with the Luftwaffe pilots, but flying every day against the real thing I think it's the most proficient way of training.

Since the Mig-29 is currently flown by a bunch countries which are not exactly US allies, I think that a USAF Mig-29 squadron does definitely make sense!

Keep in mind also that even the Mig-23MLD when flown by USAF and Israeli pilots was found to be a good threat for the first line of USAF fighters.

 

This is a pretty good reading for those interested in "acquired" aggressor/test aircraft 8) acquired here means stolen or captured ;)

 

http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_371.shtml

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Just found this from an interview with former Defense Secretary, William Cohen about the acquired Mig-29:

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Q: What is the U.S. going to do with these MiG fighters?

 

A: We're going to study them. We're going to analyze them. I'm sure the Air Force may come up with some utilitarian use of them.

 

Q: You said they came over on C-17s. Can they be flown? Will our pilots...

 

A: They had to be partially dismantled in order to fly them here. Obviously, one can reestablish their capability. But our purpose is not to do that, but rather to make an analysis of the capabilities, to study what kind of technology is involved so that we can, should we ever in the future have to come into contact with another country having this capability, would know what protections we would need and how to counter some of their capability.

 

Q: When you said this was the first such purchase, you meant of the C models? The United States has other MiG-29s.

 

A: Right.

 

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:) I like that answer: "Right"

 

full interview here:

http://www.fas.org/news/usa/1997/11/t11041997_t1104ctr.html

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Just found this from an interview with former Defense Secretary, William Cohen about the acquired Mig-29:

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Q: What is the U.S. going to do with these MiG fighters?

 

A: We're going to study them. We're going to analyze them. I'm sure the Air Force may come up with some utilitarian use of them.

 

Q: You said they came over on C-17s. Can they be flown? Will our pilots...

 

A: They had to be partially dismantled in order to fly them here. Obviously, one can reestablish their capability. But our purpose is not to do that, but rather to make an analysis of the capabilities, to study what kind of technology is involved so that we can, should we ever in the future have to come into contact with another country having this capability, would know what protections we would need and how to counter some of their capability.

 

Q: When you said this was the first such purchase, you meant of the C models? The United States has other MiG-29s.

 

A: Right.

 

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:) I like that answer: "Right"

 

full interview here:

http://www.fas.org/news/usa/1997/11/t11041997_t1104ctr.html

 

How come this does not disturbe me a bit. LOL

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Wouldn't even need to pull of something FireFox-ish.

 

"You must think in Russian..." :D

 

Yeah, I think you're right :) But I'm looking from "otherside" - it's simple, I can't understand some F15 logic, because I'm russian - so it possible that there's some need to understand russian logics to fly rissian jets, right? :)

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Wouldn't even need to pull of something FireFox-ish.

 

"You must think in Russian..." :D

 

Yeah, I think you're right :) But I'm looking from "otherside" - it's simple, I can't understand some F15 logic, because I'm russian - so it possible that there's some need to understand russian logics to fly rissian jets, right? :)

 

It's a quote from a movie. :wink:

 

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083943/

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"You must think in Russian..." :D

 

Firefox (the aircraft, not the browser) could be dangerous! Can you imagine a machine that can understand all your thoughts? It would be immediately bought by all the girlfriends of this world to understand what you really think about them and about other girls! :)

 

Or think of this scenario... You're training in ACM with your buddy, you scream Fox 2, and that damn Firefoxish aircraft kills your mate! ooops! :)

 

This kinda aircraft should have a "just kiddin'" switch close to the "master arm" :)

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Re: OT - Mig-29 sighted flying over Area 51!

 

Seriously. I was watching a special on area 51 where these two guys were trying to probe what's really going on there. They even tailed an employee to his home. Anyway...it's boring until they filmed a Mig-29 flying out of there early in the moring. It's very brief but it's definitely a Mig-29 pulling some maneuver.

 

Ok, I thought it was odd.

 

I've just seen that show last night also, on TLC the learning channel. 8)

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