Any information yet on planned version ?

[Matchstick]

Are Aerges able to share any information yet on which versions of the Starfighter they plan to model ?
(My guess is Spanish F-104G and maybe TF-104G ?)

[Rudel_chw]

1 minute ago, Matchstick said:

My guess is Spanish F-104G and maybe TF-104G

 

Agree, that's the most likely variant, and I'm fine with it:

 

http://www.916-starfighter.de/F-104_SpAF_serial.htm

 

[Matchstick]

Just now, Rudel_chw said:

 

Agree, that's the most likely variant, and I'm fine with it:

 

http://www.916-starfighter.de/F-104_SpAF_serial.htm

 

I'm fine with a quality F-104 irrespective of the actual version
(Though if I can avoid having to do low-level bombing in poor weather in it I would appreciate it)

[Gunfreak]

The Announsment said 2 Sidewinders, I don't know if that narrows it down into which modual, I know that VSN mod can have 4 sidewinders but then it is VSN

 

[Backwards]

I love the G version, and nothing would make me happier, but I wouldn't mind a F-104S or ASA/M with the Sparrows either.

[streakeagle]

I expect and would be more than happy with an F-104G. But I am hoping they handle the F-104 the same as the F1: multiple variants. I really want an F-104C in a Vietnam configuration, which means it would have the refueling probe and the field-mod RWR.

[snocc_]

yeah i hope we get multiple variants of the 104 as well, a spanish G with an early A or a C would be ideal for me

 

Edited August 25, 2023 by snocc_

[Silver_Dragon]

Aerges has a Spanish 3rd Party and always has centred on Spanish Air Force models.

• C-101: EB/CC
• Mirage F-1: C/BE/EE/M

I suppouse building F-105G/TF-105G versions know localy as C.8.

Edited August 25, 2023 by Silver_Dragon

[algherghezghez]

Not developing the S ans ASA ans ASA/M versions later would be passing up on a great opportunity given the habit of Aerges to provide lots of variants

[Rudel_chw]

I don't get why most users only want the latest version of any old aircraft, looks like they don't want anything without an MFD or digital HUD on it. I prefer to have the most used variant, the one with most liveries and operators, as it allows for a wider variety of missions. On the F-104, for me that variant is the G.

[Trooper117]

I always loved the look of it... just a 'deadly' looking beast.

[algherghezghez]

19 minutes ago, Rudel_chw said:

I don't get why most users only want the latest version of any old aircraft, looks like they don't want anything without an MFD or digital HUD on it. I prefer to have the most used variant, the one with most liveries and operators, as it allows for a wider variety of missions. On the F-104, for me that variant is the G.

MFD? HUD? 
the S has a better engine, with the ability to shoot aim-7, the ASA a better radar, aim-9L and Aspide missile. 
it’s not about the latest variant, it’s about having the almost pure intercept version. No version has mfd, hud or any of these heresies. 
 

instead of newer version read as Italian version.

Edited August 25, 2023 by algherghezghez

[Vampyre]

F-104G for sure. Even though Spain only used them as A/A platforms, I hope they include more weapons than just two winders and the gun. Liveries for Spain are a given and I would also like to see Luftwaffe, Marineflieger, USAF, Norwegian, Greek and Turk skins as well. 

[algherghezghez]

Half Europe used the G:

Germany, Italy, Greece, Norway, Denmark, Belgium, Spain and Netherlands.

hopefully we’ll get all those skins 

[snocc_]

hace 17 minutos, Vampyre dijo:

F-104G for sure. Even though Spain only used them as A/A platforms, I hope they include more weapons than just two winders and the gun. Liveries for Spain are a given and I would also like to see Luftwaffe, Marineflieger, USAF, Norwegian, Greek and Turk skins as well. 

spain used them for more than air to air, there's a good ammount of pictures out there of them training with bombs

[sirrah]

49 minutes ago, Rudel_chw said:

I prefer to have the most used variant, the one with most liveries and operators, ...

don't forget to mention: the most incredible sound ever produced by any aircraft; both beautiful and terrifying at the same time.

[Vampyre]

43 minutes ago, snocc_ said:

spain used them for more than air to air, there's a good ammount of pictures out there of them training with bombs

Did they paint all their bombs day glow orange? Looks like a test drop to me. I can't seem to find any other evidence of the Spanish Air Force regularly engaged in ground attack training.

[MAXsenna]

don't forget to mention: the most incredible sound ever produced by any aircraft; both beautiful and terrifying at the same time.

So true!

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[snocc_]

hace 13 minutos, Vampyre dijo:

Did they paint all their bombs day glow orange? Looks like a test drop to me. I can't seem to find any other evidence of the Spanish Air Force regularly engaged in ground attack training.

its a training drop, br.250s/500s and bme-330s used for training were painted red while the bombs meant to be used operationally were painted like we have them in DCS

i can post pictures of different spanish 104s dropping bombs until you're convinced

      

[Vampyre]

8 minutes ago, snocc_ said:

its a training drop, br.250s/500s and bme-330s used for training were painted red while the bombs meant to be used operationally were painted like we have them in DCS

i can post pictures of different spanish 104s dropping bombs until you're convinced

      

Still looks like test drops to me as all the bombs seem the same. Need more evidence.

[snocc_]

they look the same because they're the same bomb, they're br.250s painted red for training which were the most normal bomb for spanish aircraft at the time

these are pictures of 4 different 104s, you can tell by the registration number on the tail and the squadron number in front of the engine intake, why would they test the same bomb on the same platform so many times?

 

Edited August 25, 2023 by snocc_

[Silver_Dragon]

Weapons has builded and integrated by ED, no the 3rd party. Need a "aproval".

Edited August 25, 2023 by Silver_Dragon

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

2 hours ago, Rudel_chw said:

I don't get why most users only want the latest version of any old aircraft, looks like they don't want anything without an MFD or digital HUD on it. I prefer to have the most used variant, the one with most liveries and operators, as it allows for a wider variety of missions. On the F-104, for me that variant is the G.

The F-104S's had an uprated engine and access to Sparrows. They weren't that much different from the G.

That said, I totally agree with you. Often times, those latest and greatest versions of Cold War fighters were stop-gaps, meant to keep squadrons flying so that its replacement can be procured.

[Harlikwin]

Yeah, I hope its the G, its the most common version that was used by ALOT of nations.

 

[TLTeo]

52 minutes ago, MiG21bisFishbedL said:

The F-104S's had an uprated engine and access to Sparrows. They weren't that much different from the G.

That said, I totally agree with you. Often times, those latest and greatest versions of Cold War fighters were stop-gaps, meant to keep squadrons flying so that its replacement can be procured.

Most ASA and every ASA/M also lost air to ground capability completely, as well as the gun (they put avionics for the Sparrow/Aspide in there). If we had to have only one version I would much rather it was a classic G for that reason alone.

Of course, Aerges could also repeat what they've done with the C-101 and Mirage and just give us different versions. I don't think it's a coincidence the announcement picture didn't show the tail for instance, since that is the most noticeable differentiator between the A/C and G/S.

Edited August 25, 2023 by TLTeo