I Beg Of You...

[Steve Gee]

...PLEASE consider bringing your wonderful MSFS P-38 into DCS at some point. It's become one of my go-to planes there and would be a joy in this environment.

[NoodI]

+1 it needs to be added at some point

[bies]

My opinion always was - only a combat simulator can do the justice to the combat aircraft.

Similar with F-117.

[Gunfreak]

Is there a P38 model that was used extensively in Europe and Pacific. If so that would be the best model to make.

[Stackup]

32 minutes ago, Gunfreak said:

Is there a P38 model that was used extensively in Europe and Pacific. If so that would be the best model to make.

Well the L model was the last and most widely produced version and flew in both Europe and the Pacific starting in 1944.  It was the primary USAAF fighter in the Pacific (https://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/Visit/Museum-Exhibits/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/196280/lockheed-p-38l-lightning/) during that timeframe but the P-51 had pretty much replaced it in Europe as the primary fighter aircraft.  This is the version that FlyingIron has already made for MSFS according to their website so it is the most likely candidate in my opinion.

[Dragon1-1]

It would indeed be great. Even when it wasn't the primary fighter, it had an illustrious career as a light bomber and strafer. They did that in both Pacific and Europe, pretty much until the war ended. They took out Japanese ships and German ground forces alike. 

[Bremspropeller]

14 hours ago, Gunfreak said:

Is there a P38 model that was used extensively in Europe and Pacific. If so that would be the best model to make.

Any of them, starting with the Fox.

[algherghezghez]

Until now I didn’t know how much I needed this, now I can’t I see it!

[Slippa]

I get mail from FIS offering updates or whatever. 

I’d happily shell out for a DCS Lightning. Looking forward to the mail offering it up. 

[DishDoggie]

Question I do not fly in MSFS so I know nothing about it. I Do See WWII planes coming out like CRAZY Fast for MSFS all the time. They look to be of High Quality BUT I honestly know nothing about them. Why is it MSFS a non Combat high quality flight sim able to get so many WWII planes SO Detailed So Fast and with What looks to be clickable cockpits and true to life Flight models but Never able to happen in DCS like That? Like I said I know nothing about this stuff. Sorry if I upset you by asking. Thanks if you reply.

[Mr_sukebe]

I have a P38 in that Civ sim.  It’s much better than most of the stock aircraft.  Still not in the same league as say our Mosquito

[cordite]

I wholeheartedly agree with this request, and trophied the op. But please change the title to something more descriptive.

[Gunfreak]

On 9/21/2023 at 3:36 PM, DishDoggie said:

Question I do not fly in MSFS so I know nothing about it. I Do See WWII planes coming out like CRAZY Fast for MSFS all the time. They look to be of High Quality BUT I honestly know nothing about them. Why is it MSFS a non Combat high quality flight sim able to get so many WWII planes SO Detailed So Fast and with What looks to be clickable cockpits and true to life Flight models but Never able to happen in DCS like That? Like I said I know nothing about this stuff. Sorry if I upset you by asking. Thanks if you reply.

There is no curation in that sim. Well made good planes and total crap planes are sold next t9 each other for the same price. They might look good(making something look good graphically is actually quite easy with talent an resources) but most aircraft don't fly like the real thing at all. 

[DishDoggie]

On 9/22/2023 at 5:00 PM, Gunfreak said:

There is no curation in that sim. Well made good planes and total crap planes are sold next t9 each other for the same price. They might look good(making something look good graphically is actually quite easy with talent an resources) but most aircraft don't fly like the real thing at all. 

Thank You.

[Art-J]

@DishDoggie ^ They also don't have to create and code in internal structure (apart from places where it's visible from cockpit and from outside), damage model and weapon systems either. These things are a must, however, and take lots of development time in combat-oriented sims.

[SloppyDog]

On 9/21/2023 at 10:36 AM, DishDoggie said:

Question I do not fly in MSFS so I know nothing about it. I Do See WWII planes coming out like CRAZY Fast for MSFS all the time. They look to be of High Quality BUT I honestly know nothing about them. Why is it MSFS a non Combat high quality flight sim able to get so many WWII planes SO Detailed So Fast and with What looks to be clickable cockpits and true to life Flight models but Never able to happen in DCS like That? Like I said I know nothing about this stuff. Sorry if I upset you by asking. Thanks if you reply.

It depends heavily on the developer. Flying Iron and Got Friends are the benchmark now for WWII planes. Modern jets I would go with IndiaFoxtEcho. All the others are purely deception. There are lots of reviews of MSFS aircraft on YouTube, if you have any questions about a certain plane, it is probable that someone somewhere already reviewed it.

I do have Flying Iron's P-38 and Hellcat and both are amazing. Also have Milviz Corsair but it was pure disappointment.  Like @Gunfreak stated: there is no curation or care from MS or Asobo to what is sold and run on their platform. Anything goes. It is up to the customer to search and know what they are investing their money and time on.

Also, as @Art-J said, in MSFS they don't need to be that detailed.

In DCS, on the other hand, taking from many sources, the developer must reach some standards: 1) have the documentation, 2) making sure that said documents are not classified (or at least not classified beyond a certain point), 3) having a decent 3d model, 4) having a decent systems model (ED's or proprietary), 5) having the commitment to maintain the product up-to-date with ED's new software. That takes time. An average time from a DCS module announcement to release (in early access) takes about 5 years. 

And companies like Flying Iron's do take their time to make things for MSFS too, because they have this concern to make a good product. Others churn out so many WWII aircraft because they just port FSX/P3D old models into the new game, add a new cockpit (or worse, use the cockpit of some default aircraft), slap a price tag on it and sell. It is a wild jungle out there in the Marketplace.     

[Dragon1-1]

My experience with civilian sims so far is that they're not particularly good at simulating systems, particularly more complex ones. For instance, airliners tend to have generic FMS systems instead of functioning like the real thing, and there's rarely proper switchology for anything bigger than a twin engine prop. Given that, I wouldn't have much hope for DCS-level systems simulation in either WWII or modern military aircraft.

One of my favorite airliners are Tu-154 and Boeing 707 for FlightGear, precisely because of very good systems simulation (plus, a lot of switches to flip because most things are manual in them).

[SloppyDog]

On 10/2/2023 at 11:09 AM, Dragon1-1 said:

My experience with civilian sims so far is that they're not particularly good at simulating systems, particularly more complex ones. For instance, airliners tend to have generic FMS systems instead of functioning like the real thing, and there's rarely proper switchology for anything bigger than a twin engine prop. Given that, I wouldn't have much hope for DCS-level systems simulation in either WWII or modern military aircraft.

One of my favorite airliners are Tu-154 and Boeing 707 for FlightGear, precisely because of very good systems simulation (plus, a lot of switches to flip because most things are manual in them).

Yep, old stuff is nice to fly. I have the PMDG 737 and the DC-6. The 737 is ok, was good to quench my curiosity for new, modern airlines, but what you do is just fly the route, align with the ILS and land. The DC-6 gives a greater challenge, since it is manual and you have to be on top of those engines. 

[Dragon1-1]

Yup, the likes of 737 and Dreamliner are "program FMS, take off, go read a book while autopilot flies the route, watch it land itself". You can land by hand if you have good weather, but that's it, and it'll drive you pretty much to final. Not much of a challenge. In the 707 you have to watch out not to fry the engines, manage the fuel pumps to keep the right tanks feeding to the right places, and most of all navigate the thing using VOR stations, ADF and a map (and you better be good at if you want to fly transatlantic and actually get where you're going). Same reasons I like vintage fighters.

[MikeNolan]

Hey guys,

I'm so sorry that I'm so late in seeing this topic! Really appreciate your comments & feedback, and getting to know more about what aircraft interest you guys for DCS. We don't have any solid plans set in stone for future DCS modules right now; we are still committed to finishing the A7 before we start on any other modules in earnest.

I can tell you though that we are very much open to coming to bringing some of our modules across to DCS in the future, and we are in-fact coding the A7 in such a way so as to make the porting process easier for ourselves should the time come. By that I mean we are making our flight model code, core systems code and so on modular so that we can potentially reuse it for other modules in the future. The same goes with CFD work - we are putting processes in place to ensure that we can much more efficiently repeat the process in future.

Our MSFS P-38 sim is officially licensed by Lockheed Martin, and as such comes with a few strings attached to it. It is definitely inside the realm of possibility though in the future!

Thanks for your interest!
Cheers
Dan
FlyingIron Simulations

[SloppyDog]

Well, I love your products, the care and attention to detail is amazing. I have the P-38 and I really love the Hellcat, both gorgeous MSFS.

That said, more Warbirds and more Cold War for me is better. The P-38 would be a welcome addition to the fleet. And one day, oh some day, I would like to see a F-111 for DCS.

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[Gunfreak]

23 hours ago, MikeNolan said:

Hey guys,

I'm so sorry that I'm so late in seeing this topic! Really appreciate your comments & feedback, and getting to know more about what aircraft interest you guys for DCS. We don't have any solid plans set in stone for future DCS modules right now; we are still committed to finishing the A7 before we start on any other modules in earnest.

I can tell you though that we are very much open to coming to bringing some of our modules across to DCS in the future, and we are in-fact coding the A7 in such a way so as to make the porting process easier for ourselves should the time come. By that I mean we are making our flight model code, core systems code and so on modular so that we can potentially reuse it for other modules in the future. The same goes with CFD work - we are putting processes in place to ensure that we can much more efficiently repeat the process in future.

Our MSFS P-38 sim is officially licensed by Lockheed Martin, and as such comes with a few strings attached to it. It is definitely inside the realm of possibility though in the future!

Thanks for your interest!
Cheers
Dan
FlyingIron Simulations

Love you guys, you set the standard for transparency and fantastic status updates, we definitely need more Warbirds, P38 would be great, but also your Me109G is sorely missed in the DCS WW2 environment. If you do cold war, then the F105 is open I think, so is the Panther F9F. Both would be very welcome. 

Edited November 8, 2023 by Gunfreak

[MadKreator]

I’m all in for a P-38! Take my money!

[javelina1]

anything from FI, I'm buying.  Love their P-38, F6F, and 109. In the Civ Sim, I flew the Hellcat around the world, what an epic journey. 

[SloppyDog]

1 hour ago, javelina1 said:

anything from FI, I'm buying.  Love their P-38, F6F, and 109. In the Civ Sim, I flew the Hellcat around the world, what an epic journey. 

Around the world? Cool! Must have been quite an adventure!