Iran, Iraq, jordan, syria, and all of the middle east.

[CaptScotty]

With all the heated up situation in the middle east, It would be nice to have a map to recreate and make up new missions into those areas.

[draconus]

We already have:

• Iran (south-east part on PG map, probably more planned for new Iraq map),
• Iraq (small west part on Syria map, a new Iraq map is WIP and planned for release in 2024),
• Jordan (north part also on Syria map, they're just about to add new Jordan airbase),
• Syria (no comment needed ),
• Lebanon (on Syria map),
• Israel (on Syria and Sinai maps),
• Egypt (on Sinai map)

Generally most of the Middle East is covered on Syria, PG and Sinai maps with the Iraq and Afghanistan maps coming.

[toni]

Some dedicated Team could focuse in the western Med

[Mike Force Team]

As for a possible solution, ED could have this part of the world represented in the Global Map.  We know ED is working on a Global Map, but has not given us any WIP screenshots or new information save what was mentioned in the 2024 @ Beyond video.

Mike Force Team

[SharpeXB]

On 3/1/2024 at 10:32 AM, Mike Force Team said:

As for a possible solution, ED could have this part of the world represented in the Global Map.

A global map, by definition, will include the Middle East.

[plott1964]

see map:

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1nEGqkqYUGBipkmMq-NSwixdUHmU&ll=36.43173550229995%2C41.035409288087386&z=5

 

[Richrach]

I guess I am happy a map for Afghanistan is now available to pre-order for the helo bubbas to play on.  Still waiting for my last pre-order item to become available, the F-4 Phantom.  Someday, maybe.

3 NOV 2023

Unleashing the DCS: F-4E Phantom II

DCS: F-4E brings this cold-war legend to the skies of DCS, so strap in and prepare for a wild ride.” 

– Heatblur Simulations

Today you can save -25% whilst pre-purchasing the DCS: F-4E Phantom II.
This discount will not be available once the module is released to early access.

Still strapping in... five months later... In my day an "Alert-5" meant five minutes, not months.

 

[sirrah]

On 4/1/2024 at 2:42 AM, Richrach said:

I guess I am happy a map for Afghanistan is now available to pre-order for the helo bubbas to play on.  Still waiting for my last pre-order item to become available, the F-4 Phantom.  Someday, maybe.

3 NOV 2023

Unleashing the DCS: F-4E Phantom II

DCS: F-4E brings this cold-war legend to the skies of DCS, so strap in and prepare for a wild ride.” 

– Heatblur Simulations

Today you can save -25% whilst pre-purchasing the DCS: F-4E Phantom II.
This discount will not be available once the module is released to early access.

Still strapping in... five months later... In my day an "Alert-5" meant five minutes, not months.

 

Quite off-topic, but..

You do know about the delay Heatblur share a while ago?

 

 

 

[Richrach]

Sirrah, referring to the one they made two weeks ago, yes, I am aware.  It was still juuusssssstttttt a bit late.  The two weeks before the back end of a rollout window that has already been four and a half months is slightly off the mark.

 

The issue is not the delay.  The issue is not fessing up earlier and saying it might be late.  Once they put word out of a possible delay (whatever the reason), all is well.  Until then, are they just late?  Did the company fold?  Did the CEO take the hot programmer to Tahiti and not come back?  Have space aliens landed?  You get the idea.

 

The time to say something might be late was two months ago.  Then, if everything works out, everyone is happy and thinks you are great!  It is about keeping that good relationship with your customers so they are happy to plunk down money early for the next product and the ones after that.

 

Richrach

[draconus]

@Richrach Dude, again, off topic.

[Richrach]

Okay, lets talk the title of the thread: Iran, Iraq, jordan, syria, and all of the middle east.

Why is it none of the maps available cover enough area to actually have meaningful, historical, real-world, conflicts?

Sinai does not cover all of Israel, not even to Jerusalem and the major air base at Ramat David.

Same with Syria in the other direction and the major bases to the South, and again, Jerusalem.

Jordan is not modeled on any of the maps in any meaningful way.

Iraq is not modeled on any of the maps in any meaningful way.

The Persian Gulf map does not cover the major areas and participants in historical conflicts.  Qatar, Kuwait, Eastern Saudi Arabia, Southern Iraq and Bahrain are not modeled.  Is it even realistic to call it the Persian Gulf... more like the Straits of Hormuz.

Iran's wars with Iraq cannot be replicated, especially northern Iran-Iraq.

Desert Storm?

None of the maps available address the core issue which is this:  What is available, either by accident or intentionally, prevents crafting meaningful campaigns over regions that have historically been contested, except in piecemeal fashion.

Dude?

 

[draconus]

7 hours ago, Richrach said:

The Persian Gulf map does not cover the major areas and participants in historical conflicts.  Qatar, Kuwait, Eastern Saudi Arabia, Southern Iraq and Bahrain are not modeled.  Is it even realistic to call it the Persian Gulf... more like the Straits of Hormuz.

Yeah, damn right, it was actually the first announced name for the map and it even stuck for the development time until release.

You use "meaningful way" a lot. I understand it but it's obviously subjective. ED explains it that the maps are not supposed to cover whole wars - just some historical conflicts, battles and even single missions - while being totally free for fictional missions. Take for example the Desert Storm - would you include USA just to have a complete possibility of simulating B-52s taking off from there? That's extreme but everyone has their limit lines somewhere - so does the map and PC tech - and of course time and money. We'll get whole world in the end and there will still be people asking for antisat warfare...

Iraq and Afghanistan maps are coming this year. We'll have whole Middle East covered.

Jerusalem is coming to Sinai map soon:

[Richrach]

Thank you for acknowledged the current "Persain Gulf" map should have been named The Straits of Hormuz or something akin to that.  That this was the working name until it was actually put out tells me it was a political decision, not one based on the actual map.

 

The historical conflicts in the region and the tensions there are not subjective at all.  They are historical and real-world fact.  If historical and actual geopolitical issues are not relevant to the maps offered, why offer WWII maps that are completely based on both?

 

The reality is the Persain Gulf map offers the eye candy of Dubai (been there, too many times), but little else.  The area of historical battles and probable future events all lie outside the confines of this map.  Even the Straits themselves are not where the real fighting has been or will be.  Look at where US Carriers have operated and will likely operate in the Gulf, none are found in the DCS map.

 

Yes, I agree, a whole world map would be quite amazing.  Until such is available, the smaller area maps should reflect history and actual spheres of conflict.  To date in this region this has not been the case.

 

I have been in or over almost all the countries we have been discussing, fought in most of them over multiple decades, and have many years of my life there in the cultures.

[Silver_Dragon]

6 minutes ago, Richrach said:

Thank you for acknowledged the current "Persain Gulf" map should have been named The Straits of Hormuz or something akin to that.  That this was the working name until it was actually put out tells me it was a political decision, not one based on the actual map.

 

The historical conflicts in the region and the tensions there are not subjective at all.  They are historical and real-world fact.  If historical and actual geopolitical issues are not relevant to the maps offered, why offer WWII maps that are completely based on both?

 

The reality is the Persain Gulf map offers the eye candy of Dubai (been there, too many times), but little else.  The area of historical battles and probable future events all lie outside the confines of this map.  Even the Straits themselves are not where the real fighting has been or will be.  Look at where US Carriers have operated and will likely operate in the Gulf, none are found in the DCS map.

 

Yes, I agree, a whole world map would be quite amazing.  Until such is available, the smaller area maps should reflect history and actual spheres of conflict.  To date in this region this has not been the case.

 

I have been in or over almost all the countries we have been discussing, fought in most of them over multiple decades, and have many years of my life there in the cultures.

Initialy, ED named the actual PG map as "Straits of Hormuz" with the only plan to make the Strait zone, but after, was changed the name to PG, with plan make 2 expansions, with expand the Iran territory. the Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait, etc, never was planned by ED.

Edited April 3, 2024 by Silver_Dragon

[Silver_Dragon]

16 hours ago, Richrach said:

Okay, lets talk the title of the thread: Iran, Iraq, jordan, syria, and all of the middle east.

Why is it none of the maps available cover enough area to actually have meaningful, historical, real-world, conflicts?

Sinai does not cover all of Israel, not even to Jerusalem and the major air base at Ramat David.

Sinai Map has no planned to cover all Israel, on fact the zona was modeled by Ugra-Media on Syria map

16 hours ago, Richrach said:

Same with Syria in the other direction and the major bases to the South, and again, Jerusalem.

Never was planned by Ugra-Media.

16 hours ago, Richrach said:

Jordan is not modeled on any of the maps in any meaningful way.

The same situation, split by two maps and no planned by any 3rd parties.

16 hours ago, Richrach said:

Iraq is not modeled on any of the maps in any meaningful way.

None 3rd Parti was planned to make them, and Iraq comming that year by ED, after Afghanistan map, will cover all iraq zones and north PG to simulate conflic as Desert Storm / Iraq Liberty, War of Terrorist, etc.

16 hours ago, Richrach said:

The Persian Gulf map does not cover the major areas and participants in historical conflicts.  Qatar, Kuwait, Eastern Saudi Arabia, Southern Iraq and Bahrain are not modeled.  Is it even realistic to call it the Persian Gulf... more like the Straits of Hormuz.

Never was planned by ED, as noted previously.

16 hours ago, Richrach said:

Iran's wars with Iraq cannot be replicated, especially northern Iran-Iraq.

Iran Iraq wars has planned by ED when Iraq map will be expanded to the east to Iran zone.

16 hours ago, Richrach said:

Desert Storm?

The shame, planed by ED on the Iraq map after the initial release to cover Desert Storm and other conflicts.

16 hours ago, Richrach said:

None of the maps available address the core issue which is this:  What is available, either by accident or intentionally, prevents crafting meaningful campaigns over regions that have historically been contested, except in piecemeal fashion.

Dude?

Maps has limitations on extension by the actual TDK (Terrain Develop Kit) technology and perfomance. The Whole Map on develop by ED, expected make long range missions, but actualy has very early to know details about your perfomance and capabilities.

[Richrach]

Silver Dragon, thank you for the clarifications.

[upyr1]

On 4/3/2024 at 9:07 AM, Silver_Dragon said:

Sinai Map has no planned to cover all Israel, on fact the zona was modeled by Ugra-Media on Syria map

Never was planned by Ugra-Media.

The same situation, split by two maps and no planned by any 3rd parties.

None 3rd Parti was planned to make them, and Iraq comming that year by ED, after Afghanistan map, will cover all iraq zones and north PG to simulate conflic as Desert Storm / Iraq Liberty, War of Terrorist, etc.

Never was planned by ED, as noted previously.

Iran Iraq wars has planned by ED when Iraq map will be expanded to the east to Iran zone.

The shame, planed by ED on the Iraq map after the initial release to cover Desert Storm and other conflicts.

Maps has limitations on extension by the actual TDK (Terrain Develop Kit) technology and perfomance. The Whole Map on develop by ED, expected make long range missions, but actualy has very early to know details about your perfomance and capabilities.

I know we can't have a Mideast map now due to TDK limits but looking at what ED is doing with Afghanistan, I could see it as an eventual possibility. ED could model blanks spots then set up a system where the maps would load as needed 

[Silver_Dragon]

10 hours ago, upyr1 said:

I know we can't have a Mideast map now due to TDK limits but looking at what ED is doing with Afghanistan, I could see it as an eventual possibility. ED could model blanks spots then set up a system where the maps would load as needed 

The Contiguous map system has the future "whole world".