Meta will start collecting “anonymized” data about Quest headset usage

[AngleOff66]

For those that have a concern(like me)

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2024/02/meta-will-start-collecting-anonymized-data-about-quest-headset-usage/

So that leaves the PSVR2(wonder how Ivry is doing?) and Pico4 as options?

[VirusAM]

43 minutes ago, AngleOff66 said:

For those that have a concern(like me)

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2024/02/meta-will-start-collecting-anonymized-data-about-quest-headset-usage/

So that leaves the PSVR2(wonder how Ivry is doing?) and Pico4 as options?

probably you won't need any help from Ivry...Sony itself is working on bringing PC compatibility for the headest....probably it will be my next headset if so.

[slughead]

At least they are being upfront about it. I bet your ISP is collecting a ton of data about what websites you visit, when, how often, how long for, etc, etc, etc. Yet no one is screaming from the hilltops over that. Same with Microsoft I expect. Amazon is collecting everything you look at and buy, how you buy it, how often and so on and so on. Phone company the same. Utility companies.. the same. Satnav company... the same. Even Apple has been found to record breadcrumb trails of your movements, and what wifi you connect to. Banks... ATMs.... supermarkets.... petrol stations.... To be blunt about it..... everything you are doing digitally involves some form of data capture... about you.

[average_pilot]

14 hours ago, slughead said:

At least they are being upfront about it. I bet your ISP is collecting a ton of data about what websites you visit, when, how often, how long for, etc, etc, etc. Yet no one is screaming from the hilltops over that. Same with Microsoft I expect. Amazon is collecting everything you look at and buy, how you buy it, how often and so on and so on. Phone company the same. Utility companies.. the same. Satnav company... the same. Even Apple has been found to record breadcrumb trails of your movements, and what wifi you connect to. Banks... ATMs.... supermarkets.... petrol stations.... To be blunt about it..... everything you are doing digitally involves some form of data capture... about you.

Still unethical. Although unstoppable now. And not really a "privacy" problem but a structural problem of the economics of the information era.

In the information era data is a real resource that is bringing big gains to those who control it, yet we are all suppose to share it tacitly without compensation.

And the huge amounts of labeled data that machine learning AI's need, labels that can only come from genuine humans, is bringing yet another problem to the scene. The bulk of it is being done by effective slaves in poor countries that spent the day in front of a computer labeling data for pennies.

Data, data, data... that's what everybody wants now.

(Sorry, Jaron Lanier infected my mind with these ideas...)

[Koziolek]

15 hours ago, slughead said:

At least they are being upfront about it. I bet your ISP is collecting a ton of data about what websites you visit, when, how often, how long for, etc, etc, etc. Yet no one is screaming from the hilltops over that. Same with Microsoft I expect. Amazon is collecting everything you look at and buy, how you buy it, how often and so on and so on. Phone company the same. Utility companies.. the same. Satnav company... the same. Even Apple has been found to record breadcrumb trails of your movements, and what wifi you connect to. Banks... ATMs.... supermarkets.... petrol stations.... To be blunt about it..... everything you are doing digitally involves some form of data capture... about you.

Yes, probably my PICO 4 is doing the same but is keeping mum about it

[kksnowbear]

1 hour ago, average_pilot said:

Still unethical. Although unstoppable now. And not really a "privacy" problem but a structural problem of the economics of the information era.

In the information era data is a real resource that is bringing big gains to those who control it, yet we are all suppose to share it tacitly without compensation.

And the huge amounts of labeled data that machine learning AI's need, labels that can only come from genuine humans, is bringing yet another problem to the scene. The bulk of it is being done by effective slaves in poor countries that spent the day in front of a computer labeling data for pennies.

Data, data, data... that's what everybody wants now.

(Sorry, Jaron Lanier infected my mind with these ideas...)

Absolutely, couldn't agree more.

I might add, though, that at one point, there were people who *were* 'screaming from the hilltops' over it - and rightfully so.

What happened then is a testament to the stupidity of mankind:  More and more people forgot about their privacy, and security, gladly giving it up to be able to lazily click on something and find a picture of Britney Spears naked (albeit faked), or a movie or music they didn't have to pay for....what they did was exactly the same as a donkey with a carrot hung in front of him.  "I don't care what I'm giving up, I want the free video/music/naughty pics/whatever...after all it's FREE"

Well, news flash: It ain't free.  NOTHING in this world is free save maybe the love of your family and that of the Almighty (and the family can be questioned at times lol).

We'd have been fine, had all the geniuses listened.  We could have put a stop to it at the onset, as consumers.

Unfortunately, every time someone (rightfully) tried to speak up, here come the geniuses:  "You need to stop complaining and just upgrade..."  "It's not hurting anything, it's helping me see when things I want are on sale..." blah, blah blah.  Right on through Windows 7 to Windows 10's forced updates...how long do you suppose it will be before Microsoft wants to charge everyone f**king monthly subscriptions to use *our* hardware?  (Hint, they already intend to).

The *real* problem, to be honest, is those who say it's normal, it's to be expected, and we should just accept it.  Sooner or later, everyone's going to realize all the convenience and naked pics of Britney Spears on the planet aren't worth what it will cost.

We should've heeded common sense when this all started.  We should've raised hell then, and stopped it.  I personally was among those 'screaming from the hilltops' that this was all coming.  And I was attacked by "this is normal, to be expected..." "You need to just upgrade..."  And *now* everyone's crapping in their pants at what they've finally realized is going to happen???

Benjamin Franklin is credited with saying "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

I'd submit a more modern take on the concept:  Those who give up their personal identity and privacy to get "free" pics of Britney Spears naked, and have someone else picking over their food from the grocery store, deserve all they get

 

Edited March 1, 2024 by kksnowbear

[Slippa]

We’re all screwed, it’s too late. I resisted and resisted and still regularly moan about it.

I’m pissing in shadows though, nobody wants to hear it. People want what they want so happily bend over to an algorithm. Whatever freedoms we had are gone unless you live underground and don’t take any devices with you. I can’t see a Doctor without it being logged and filed, sold or whatever.

This Perfect Day, 1984 etc all warned it was coming. Generally, people shrugged their shoulders and went “gimme the stuff anyway”. No going back now.

[kksnowbear]

26 minutes ago, Slippa said:

We’re all screwed, it’s too late. I resisted and resisted and still regularly moan about it.

I’m pissing in shadows though, nobody wants to hear it. People want what they want so happily bend over to an algorithm. Whatever freedoms we had are gone unless you live underground and don’t take any devices with you. I can’t see a Doctor without it being logged and filed, sold or whatever.

This Perfect Day, 1984 etc all warned it was coming. Generally, people shrugged their shoulders and went “gimme the stuff anyway”. No going back now.

Absolutely.  And a damn shame at that.

[freehand]

Sounds most people have been living under a rock.