C-802AK total fail?

[tflash]

The C-802AK missiles do not seem to track anymore, it seems they do not engage their own radar. They keep missing any sea target, even large ships a like Elnya in any mode I tried, even when the ship is dead in the centerline. 

It also seems that when you use the radar in SEA1 as well as with the TPod you do not get an Altitude reading for the target. But even if I type in the coordinates manually in COO mode, the targets are just overflow or missed by quite some margin. 

I tested both in Caucasus map as in Persian Gulf. 

FT JF-17 Anti-Ship fail.trk FT JF-17 kill Tanker Persian Gulf.miz

[razo+r]

Just to make sure, did you also set the appropriate target size according to the ship you were trying to engage? 

[tflash]

Yes indeed, as I read in another thread that that was a problem. But to no avail! 

[tflash]

Aha, I did get a hit when I put the target size for the Elny to "medium" instead of "large"! Will try further. 

[razo+r]

https://forum.dcs.world/topic/283103-what-happens-with-the-anti-ship-missiles-c-802ak/?do=findComment&comment=4843090

[tekwoj]

FYI the target sizes in the pdf above are not up to date.

[Typhonus2]

Do we have any source of an accurate target size table then?

[tekwoj]

3 hours ago, Typhonus2 said:

Do we have any source of an accurate target size table then?

Use your radar to determine the correct target size.

Here you can see in my comment how different size targets look on the radar.

 

[Typhonus2]

Thanks. Although, honestly, this might be harder if you only have one ship, or ships that are all of the same size. Still, it's better than nothing. I've also gone back into the original, incorrect, PDF and changed it based on the <30,000 or >60,0000 RCS rule I found elsewhere. I tested, and at exactly 60,000 both large and medium settings seemed to work.

[tekwoj]

5 minutes ago, Typhonus2 said:

Thanks. Although, honestly, this might be harder if you only have one ship, or ships that are all of the same size. Still, it's better than nothing. I've also gone back into the original, incorrect, PDF and changed it based on the <30,000 or >60,0000 RCS rule I found elsewhere. I tested, and at exactly 60,000 both large and medium settings seemed to work.

Compare the size of the marker on the radar with the TDC cursor. Small target is thin and slightly below half arm, medium is visibly thicker than cursor and less long than arm, large is larger than cursor arm and thick.

[Typhonus2]

Thanks. Will do.

[uboats]

can I mark it as resolved :)?

[Typhonus2]

Yeah, although an updated table would still be nice. I prefer to set target size while enroute, often before the target is visible on radar.

[tekwoj]

13 hours ago, Typhonus2 said:

Yeah, although an updated table would still be nice. I prefer to set target size while enroute, often before the target is visible on radar.

Create a mission with all ships, about 2 miles from each other and your plane in radar range of them, start, active pause, note down what is what.

[antiload]

The current state of the JF17 is very frustrating. Not only issues with the CM08 AK but also the AKG & other weapons that seem not to have been addressed by ED. However Deka is responsible for the WMD/TPOD & this, when I last tested is still not ground stabilising. Apologies for going off topic. I just miss doing ground ops in my Jeff.

I hope the systems in the jet are corrected soon. 

Edited May 9 by antiload

[tekwoj]

2 hours ago, antiload said:

The current state of the JF17 is very frustrating. Not only issues with the CM08 AK but also the AKG & other weapons that seem not to have been addressed by ED. However Deka is responsible for the WMD/TPOD & this, when I last tested is still not ground stabilising. Apologies for going off topic. I just miss doing ground ops in my Jeff.

I hope the systems in the jet are corrected soon. 

I agree, the a2g weapons that make JF17 stand out the most right now are in bad shape. If the tpod issue can't be resolved easily I wouldn't mind if they reverted it to the state it was before the radar stabilization if possible. Less realistic but working is better than realistic but buggy IMO.

[Typhonus2]

On 5/8/2025 at 5:39 AM, tekwoj said:

Create a mission with all ships, about 2 miles from each other and your plane in radar range of them, start, active pause, note down what is what.

I have indeed done something similar to this, and thus resolved the issue for myself. But, call me crazy, I'm one of those guys who think that a complete manual should be released to people who spent good money on the project within, oh, I don't know, four years or so of when it's promised?

[tekwoj]

3 hours ago, Typhonus2 said:

I have indeed done something similar to this, and thus resolved the issue for myself. But, call me crazy, I'm one of those guys who think that a complete manual should be released to people who spent good money on the project within, oh, I don't know, four years or so of when it's promised?

Thing is deka is not in charge of the ships and their RCS in game has changed and might change again at a whim.

[antiload]

ED is in control of the weapons, so they can add the rcs data of the ships into the weapon code.