SCDDCS Posted August 31, 2024 Posted August 31, 2024 It was revealed on the Russian speaking forums that the IT-23 TV screen was used for displaying tactical information (position of wingmen, target points etc) instead of the ABRIS in the real KA-50. (Screenshot from @Chizh) I was wondering if there was any more information on this and why we don't see such IT-23 functionality in our Blackshark.
WarbossPetross Posted September 2, 2024 Posted September 2, 2024 В 31.08.2024 в 18:09, SCDDCS сказал: It was revealed on the Russian speaking forums that the IT-23 TV screen was used for displaying tactical information (position of wingmen, target points etc) instead of the ABRIS in the real KA-50. I was wondering if there was any more information on this and why we don't see such IT-23 functionality in our Blackshark. Maybe that function was not implemented in the prototype that BS 1-2 were modelling, but since BS 3 is pretty much fictitious I don't see why we can't have it someday.
SCDDCS Posted September 2, 2024 Author Posted September 2, 2024 2 hours ago, WarbossPetross said: Maybe that function was not implemented in the prototype that BS 1-2 were modelling, but since BS 3 is pretty much fictitious I don't see why we can't have it someday. I believe that BS 3 is modelled after bort 25, one of the Blacksharks equipped with the Abris upgrade. Not every Ka-50 received this upgrade, bort 23 being an example. Yet in spite of this, every photo of the Ka-50's cockpit (with or without the Abris installed) seems to feature a Datalink panel. This begs the question, how did the pilots use the DL before the Abris was installed? It is likely that they used the IT-23 like @Chizh's comment pointed out on the Russian speaking forums. Within the same comment it was also mentioned that the Abris was only used as a navigational aid for the pilots, not to display tactical information from the datalink. So it seems to me that the Blackshark is showing the datalink information and symbology in the wrong place, but I can't say this for certain.
Solution zerO_crash Posted November 12, 2024 Solution Posted November 12, 2024 (edited) On 8/31/2024 at 5:09 PM, SCDDCS said: It was revealed on the Russian speaking forums that the IT-23 TV screen was used for displaying tactical information (position of wingmen, target points etc) instead of the ABRIS in the real KA-50. (Screenshot from @Chizh) I was wondering if there was any more information on this and why we don't see such IT-23 functionality in our Blackshark. IT-23 showed such information back when there was no ABRIS, but rather a map on a roll. The instrument in question is the PA-4-3. If you've seen the map position projector in the Mi-24 (showing your current doppler position on a paper map), then this is what the PA-4-3 was, except the pilot never moved the map himself. Instead, the tablet had an automated system and a paper map in a roll with 26 frames. The scales were 1:100.000, 1:500.000 or 1:1.000.000. As the helicopter flew, the map would move top to bottom. The PA-4-3 was unable to show datalinked information in realtime, obviously. As such, the IT-23 would be used to show that additional information on a vector map. In other words, the pilot would only know references, but not exact positions (approximate positions could be extrapolated). When ABRIS came forth, the Ka-50 not only gained a virtually unlimited cartographic capability, but also the ability to overlay that information from IT-23 on top of it (not even mentioning GPS, +++). At that point, the system became pointless, and the very visuals that you see in the picture, got implemented in the ABRIS moving map system. That functionality fell then away from IT-23. More is better, sure, but we already have a correct (to the bort) implementation of the system, and a much better one. It would make no sense to have this implemented. Edited November 19, 2024 by zerO_crash 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
SCDDCS Posted November 19, 2024 Author Posted November 19, 2024 On 11/12/2024 at 4:24 AM, zerO_crash said: IT-23 showed such information back when there was no ABRIS, but rather a map on a roll. The instrument in question is the PA-4-3. If you've seen the map position projector in the Mi-24 (showing your current doppler position on a paper map), then this is what the PA-4-3 was, except the pilot never moved the map himself. Instead, the tablet had an automated system and a paper map in a roll with 26 frames. The scales were 1:100.000, 1:500.000 or 1:1.000.000. As the helicopter flew, the map would move north to south. The PA-4-3 unable to show datalinked information in realtime, obviously. As such, the IT-23 would be used to show that additional information on a vector map. In other words, the pilot would only know references, but not exact positions (approximate positions could be extrapolated). When ABRIS came forth, the Ka-50 not only gained a virtually unlimited cartographic capability, but also the ability to overlay that information from IT-23 on top of it (not even mentioning GPS, +++). At that point, the system became pointless, and the very visuals that you see in the picture, got implemented in the ABRIS moving map system. That functionality fell then away from IT-23. More is better, sure, but we already have a correct (to the bort) implementation of the system, and a much better one. It would make no sense to have this implemented. Thank you for your insightful reply. I'm pleased that we have a KA-50 accurate to a real example (I'm assuming bort 25.)
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