LordOrion Posted September 12, 2024 Posted September 12, 2024 (edited) All good things come to an end: https://theaviationist.com/2024/09/12/new-m-346-jet-for-the-frecce/ Originally the M-345 was designed as successor of MB-339 for PAN ("Pattuglia Acrobatica Nazionale", National Aerobatic team)... seems that someone at the Italian Air force finally realized that the M-345 does not fit the Frecce Tricolori needs. Although the "Macchino" will be missed, the M-346 is a far better machine. The new livery: Edited September 12, 2024 by LordOrion 3 RDF 3rd Fighter Squadron - "Black Knights": "Ar Cavajere Nero nun je devi cacà er cazzo!" My Blog (Italian): Notti a (Video)Giocare ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ CPU: i7-11700K@5GHz|GPU: RTX-4070 Super|RAM: 64GB DDR4@3200MHz|SSD: 970EVO Plus + 2x 980 PRO|HOTAS Warthog|TrackIR 5|
6S.Duke Posted September 12, 2024 Posted September 12, 2024 So excited to see this little fighter in Frecce Tricolori formation!Inviato dal mio SM-F731B utilizzando Tapatalk 3 MB339 EFM Coder Frecce Tricolori Virtuali [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
MAXsenna Posted September 13, 2024 Posted September 13, 2024 So excited to see this little fighter in Frecce Tricolori formation!Inviato dal mio SM-F731B utilizzando TapatalkSo, when is it coming to DCS? Sent from my SM-A536B using Tapatalk 1
6S.Duke Posted September 13, 2024 Posted September 13, 2024 So, when is it coming to DCS? Sent from my SM-A536B using TapatalkObviously never from us :)Inviato dal mio SM-F731B utilizzando Tapatalk 2 MB339 EFM Coder Frecce Tricolori Virtuali [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
MAXsenna Posted September 13, 2024 Posted September 13, 2024 Obviously never from us :)Inviato dal mio SM-F731B utilizzando TapatalkWHY? Must be the most beautiful trainer ever made. Wish I had 30M! Sent from my SM-A536B using Tapatalk
6S.Duke Posted September 13, 2024 Posted September 13, 2024 WHY? Must be the most beautiful trainer ever made. Wish I had 30M! Sent from my SM-A536B using TapatalkThat's the problem: it's a trainer.Inviato dal mio SM-F731B utilizzando Tapatalk 2 MB339 EFM Coder Frecce Tricolori Virtuali [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
LordOrion Posted September 13, 2024 Author Posted September 13, 2024 That's the problem: it's a trainer.Inviato dal mio SM-F731B utilizzando Tapatalk... actually the FA version is a lightweight multirole jet.Inviato dal mio iPad utilizzando Tapatalk Pro 1 RDF 3rd Fighter Squadron - "Black Knights": "Ar Cavajere Nero nun je devi cacà er cazzo!" My Blog (Italian): Notti a (Video)Giocare ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ CPU: i7-11700K@5GHz|GPU: RTX-4070 Super|RAM: 64GB DDR4@3200MHz|SSD: 970EVO Plus + 2x 980 PRO|HOTAS Warthog|TrackIR 5|
6S.Duke Posted September 13, 2024 Posted September 13, 2024 ... actually the FA version is a lightweight multirole jet.Inviato dal mio iPad utilizzando Tapatalk ProEven the MB-339 is a light weight attack jet, but it is classified as trainer too.Inviato dal mio SM-F731B utilizzando Tapatalk 1 MB339 EFM Coder Frecce Tricolori Virtuali [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
MAXsenna Posted September 13, 2024 Posted September 13, 2024 That's the problem: it's a trainer.Inviato dal mio SM-F731B utilizzando TapatalkYeah, but it looks sooooo goooood! If I had the money, I would pay you guys to make it! Sent from my SM-A536B using Tapatalk 1
Bigskill Posted September 13, 2024 Posted September 13, 2024 2 ore fa, MAXsenna ha scritto: Yeah, but it looks sooooo goooood! If I had the money, I would pay you guys to make it! Sent from my SM-A536B using Tapatalk I agree but only few assholes will buy it 3 year to sell few copies... not worth it....
LordOrion Posted September 13, 2024 Author Posted September 13, 2024 2 hours ago, 6S.Duke said: Even the MB-339 is a light weight attack jet, but it is classified as trainer too. Inviato dal mio SM-F731B utilizzando Tapatalk Then why not create the FA version and sell it as "Light Attack derived from Trainer" (or maybe don't even mention the Trainer at all)? If you manage to find enough doc to make a good implementation of the M-346 FA no one should care about the fact that is trainer-derived variant. And yes you are right: the Macchino is actualy a trainer/light attack plane with some worth mentioing operative history (ask Owen Crippa for that), but it's much more known (and loved) for its 40 years long Trainer role. M-364 on the other hand is a brand new plane: AFAIK AMI has evaluated it / is evaluating it to replace the now retired AMX Ghibli feet for CAS role. 1 RDF 3rd Fighter Squadron - "Black Knights": "Ar Cavajere Nero nun je devi cacà er cazzo!" My Blog (Italian): Notti a (Video)Giocare ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ CPU: i7-11700K@5GHz|GPU: RTX-4070 Super|RAM: 64GB DDR4@3200MHz|SSD: 970EVO Plus + 2x 980 PRO|HOTAS Warthog|TrackIR 5|
6S.Duke Posted September 13, 2024 Posted September 13, 2024 Then why not create the FA version and sell it as "Light Attack derived from Trainer" (or maybe don't even mention the Trainer at all)? If you manage to find enough doc to make a good implementation of the M-346 FA no one should care about the fact that is trainer-derived variant. And yes you are right: the Macchino is actualy a trainer/light attack plane with some worth mentioing operative history (ask Owen Crippa for that), but it's much more known (and loved) for its 40 years long Trainer role. M-364 on the other hand is a brand new plane: AFAIK AMI has evaluated it / is evaluating it to replace the now retired AMX Ghibli feet for CAS role.M-346 is a modern aircraft with a complex avionics comparable to a 4th generation fighter jet.The flight control system is full digital with complex control laws to be coded.It is a twin seater so it means double commands to be synced in multiplayer too.The aircraft popularity is very low and confirmed by the copies sold on the other civ sim that are below the average.Taking into account that DCS is not popular like the other civ sim, the risk is to invest a lot of resources and time on a product that does not allow us to cover the costs.As IFE, we love the aircraft, we know a lot about it and we have the complete 3d assets and documents to make an authentic digital version.As aircraft enthusiasts we would make it immediately, but we are also developers so we have to choose very well the next aircraft to make.Unfortunately, the M-346 cannot be the next.Inviato dal mio SM-F731B utilizzando Tapatalk MB339 EFM Coder Frecce Tricolori Virtuali [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
LordOrion Posted September 13, 2024 Author Posted September 13, 2024 4 minutes ago, 6S.Duke said: M-346 is a modern aircraft with a complex avionics comparable to a 4th generation fighter jet. The flight control system is full digital with complex control laws to be coded. It is a twin seater so it means double commands to be synced in multiplayer too. The aircraft popularity is very low and confirmed by the copies sold on the other civ sim that are below the average. Taking into account that DCS is not popular like the other civ sim, the risk is to invest a lot of resources and time on a product that does not allow us to cover the costs. As IFE, we love the aircraft, we know a lot about it and we have the complete 3d assets and documents to make an authentic digital version. As aircraft enthusiasts we would make it immediately, but we are also developers so we have to choose very well the next aircraft to make. Unfortunately, the M-346 cannot be the next. Inviato dal mio SM-F731B utilizzando Tapatalk well, at least I tried 1 RDF 3rd Fighter Squadron - "Black Knights": "Ar Cavajere Nero nun je devi cacà er cazzo!" My Blog (Italian): Notti a (Video)Giocare ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ CPU: i7-11700K@5GHz|GPU: RTX-4070 Super|RAM: 64GB DDR4@3200MHz|SSD: 970EVO Plus + 2x 980 PRO|HOTAS Warthog|TrackIR 5|
MAXsenna Posted September 13, 2024 Posted September 13, 2024 well, at least I tried I've decided to get stinky rich! Sent from my SM-A536B using Tapatalk 1
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