Sea Harrier F/A 2

[Freakmeister51]

Having worked on these iconic aircraft. I would love to be able to fly it, pure and simple. They are no longer in active service so there shouldn't be any issues producing it, in theory.Im sure that the systems used by current DCS aircraft can be incorperated.

What does everyone think?

[Gunfreak]

1. British don't like to give access. (Spitfire and Mossie are the two most modern British aircraft in DCS) 

2. Some say the air to air radar used on the Sea Harriers are still secret.

[F-2]

Apparently quite a few of the manuals have started being released. The war thunder community has the aircrew and aircraft and system manuals.

 

this group also has some 

https://airsciences.org.uk/archive-library-collection/

[upyr1]

I would love to have the sea Harrier if possible we have the falklands.

[Freakmeister51]

23 hours ago, Gunfreak said:

1. British don't like to give access. (Spitfire and Mossie are the two most modern British aircraft in DCS) 

2. Some say the air to air radar used on the Sea Harriers are still secret.

You are right about the Radar being secret of course. Not sure about the brits not giving info away. I doubt ED has ever bothered to ask. They are too concentrated on US and European aircraft to care.

2 hours ago, upyr1 said:

I would love to have the sea Harrier if possible we have the falklands.

My thoughts exactly. Seems a waste having the Falklands, we have the Pucara and a-4, albeit community mods. We have the Mirage. We even have the Hermes and Illustrious mods. All that is missing is the Harrier.

[Gunfreak]

5 minutes ago, Freakmeister51 said:

You are right about the Radar being secret of course. Not sure about the brits not giving info away. I doubt ED has ever bothered to ask. They are too concentrated on US and European aircraft to care.

My thoughts exactly. Seems a waste having the Falklands, we have the Pucara and a-4, albeit community mods. We have the Mirage. We even have the Hermes and Illustrious mods. All that is missing is the Harrier.

Every time a British aircraft is brought up, it's a no go. That's why both the Europe fighter and Tornado are based on German models. That's why neither ED or a 3rd party developer have been able to make British jet. 

French aren't much better. So can't hope for Jaguar.

 

[Freakmeister51]

17 hours ago, Gunfreak said:

Every time a British aircraft is brought up, it's a no go. That's why both the Europe fighter and Tornado are based on German models. That's why neither ED or a 3rd party developer have been able to make British jet. 

French aren't much better. So can't hope for Jaguar.

 

Oh well, was just a thought. Besides there are too many countries have their fingers in the Tornado pie for anyone to get accurate information about them and the Typhoon isn’t owned by the UK.

Edited September 28, 2024 by Freakmeister51

[F-2]

50 minutes ago, Freakmeister51 said:

Oh well, was just a thought.

Not completely true, I don’t have them and I would not post them if I did but these have been released in the last few years. I think their is away to get them released legally.

 

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[F-2]

9 minutes ago, BIGNEWY said:

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Yes, these are just pictures of the covers that were posted online. I do not have nor would I post the real thing. I just wanted to point out the UK does have a legal way to get documentation released contrary to popular perception

but I understand reiterating

[Tango3B]

Just now, F-2 said:

Yes, these are just pictures of the covers that were posted online. I do not have nor would I post the real thing. I just wanted to point out the UK does have a legal way to get documentation released contrary to popular perception

but I understand reiterating

Yes...these are just pictures. But: This is definitely a jet that falls under the restrictions of the forum rules mentioned above and cannot be discussed in detail here. Nothing about this specific jet is really approved for "public use". Furthermore, this type of Sea Harrier is capable of using the AMRAAM. I explicitly point out that it will lead to significant problems if someone publishes technical documentation on this. That's all I'm saying on this. Thanks

[TKhaos]

2 hours ago, F-2 said:

I think their is away to get them released legally

Depends what you want them for, you can put in a request and outline your reasons under the Freedom of Information Act, can take a few months and quite often the MOD will refuse under Section 26 (defense) as it could be a threat the national security.

[F-2]

13 minutes ago, TKhaos said:

Depends what you want them for, you can put in a request and outline your reasons under the Freedom of Information Act, can take a few months and quite often the MOD will refuse under Section 26 (defense) as it could be a threat the national security.

As I understand it these have been obtained by Gunjob in the warthunder community from various museums after a MoD review 

AP 101B-4801-15A - Aircrew Manual - Sea Harrier FRS.1 - April 1984
AP 101B-4802-15A Sea Harrier FA.2 Aircraft And Systems - March 1997 (missing sections)
AP 101B-4802-15B Sea Harrier FA.2 Operations - March 1997 (missing sections)
DAP 101B-4802-15A Sea Harrier FA.2 Aircraft And Systems - July 2002
DAP 101B-4802-15B Sea Harrier FA.2 Operations - July 2002

they are getting the Nav/Attack manual from the FAA museum

FARNBOROUGH AIR SCIENCES MUSEUM Has

“A good selection of Pilots Notes, Flight Reference Cards, Flight Manuals and Sea Harrier FA2 AP101B manuals”

it doesn’t seem like collecting Sea Harrier documentation for a module would be all that different then collecting documentation for any module developed to date.

 

[F-2]

Cool video

[TKhaos]

3 minutes ago, F-2 said:

As I understand it these have been obtained by Gunjob in the warthunder community from various museums after a MoD review 

AP 101B-4801-15A - Aircrew Manual - Sea Harrier FRS.1 - April 1984
AP 101B-4802-15A Sea Harrier FA.2 Aircraft And Systems - March 1997 (missing sections)
AP 101B-4802-15B Sea Harrier FA.2 Operations - March 1997 (missing sections)
DAP 101B-4802-15A Sea Harrier FA.2 Aircraft And Systems - July 2002
DAP 101B-4802-15B Sea Harrier FA.2 Operations - July 2002

they are getting the Nav/Attack manual from the FAA museum

FARNBOROUGH AIR SCIENCES MUSEUM Has

“A good selection of Pilots Notes, Flight Reference Cards, Flight Manuals and Sea Harrier FA2 AP101B manuals”

it doesn’t seem like collecting Sea Harrier documentation for a module would be all that different then collecting documentation for any module developed to date.

 

The Fleet Air Arm Museum in Yeovilton, Somerset, UK is part of the National museum of the Royal Navy so they quite often retain documents and manuals, more often than not FOI team will suggest you contact them or Farnborough, if they don't have the information and it is available to the public they generally point you in the right direction.

There was a guy that put in FOI requests a few years ago and those were amongst the requests, bar one. He got spoken too by the MOD as it was classed as suspcious that he had put in 30 requests for different aircraft within a few months and don't think he asked again

 

 

[F-2]

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C17574716
 

apparently this has lots of information on blue vixen. I’m looking into requesting a copy. It might be a bit pricy but it should be worth it.

 

still no luck on blue fox

[bfr]

On 9/27/2024 at 5:43 PM, upyr1 said:

I would love to have the sea Harrier if possible we have the falklands.

FRS1 would be the appropriate model in that case, not the FA2 (not that i'm opposed to either model being done if possible)