CTD with 14900K - No windows lock up. Just CTD

[Akula]

Hi all,

Just wondering if someone who knows how to read log files can chime in on mine. I had set affinity to just the physical 8 cores and still got a CTD. Tried a few more times after rebooting and same thing so any advice would be appreciated.   Thanks

 

System - March, 2024

- Windows 11 64 24H2

- Phanteks (PH-ES620PTG-DBK01) Enthoo Pro 2 Full Tower

- EVGA PSU 1200W

- Intel® CoreTM i9-14900K

- MSI MPG Z790 EDGE WIFI

- CORSAIR VENGEANCE DDR5 RAM 128GB (4x32GB) 6400MHz CL32  **downclocked**  to 5400 CL36

- MSI Ventus 3X GeForce RTX 3090 OC - thermal pad upgrade, much cooler now.

- SAMSUNG 49-inch Odyssey G9 Gaming Monitor | QHD, 240hz

- Trackir 5 Professional Premium Head Tracking

- ARCTIC Liquid Freezer III 360 A-RGB - AIO

dcs.log

Edited October 19, 2024 by Akula

[silverdevil]

5 hours ago, Akula said:

Hi all,

Just wondering if someone who knows how to read log files can chime in on mine. I had set affinity to just the physical 8 cores and still got a CTD. Tried a few more times after rebooting and same thing so any advice would be appreciated.   Thanks

I see you just updated BIOS in another thread. do you have a OC going on. Your DCS log does not show a crash.

2024-10-19 14:34:32.072 INFO    APP (Main): application shutdown

This is a normal shutdown. You sure you got correct log? Anyway, since you mentioned updating BIOS, it could be an XMP memory setting in BIOS. Just grasping at straws.

[sleighzy]

What silverdevil said.

Can you also run the Windows dxdiag tool, save the results, and then drop that file here.

See if there are any crash zip files in your DCS logs directory and drop them here as well, just in case it's captured crashes from other DCS sessions.

Edited October 19, 2024 by sleighzy

[Akula]

3 minutes ago, silverdevil said:

I see you just updated BIOS in another thread. do you have a OC going on. Your DCS log does not show a crash.

2024-10-19 14:34:32.072 INFO    APP (Main): application shutdown

This is a normal shutdown. You sure you got correct log? Anyway, since you mentioned updating BIOS, it could be an XMP memory setting in BIOS. Just grasping at straws.

That's weird because it did crash. No the overclock has nothing to do with it. I actually clocked it lower to get a lower voltage since my most recent posts.

 

As for the logs not showing a crash.... It crashed. No reason for me to lie about it. I did my ramp start, rolled out on the runway and I'll either CTD as soon as I line up or shortly after takeoff. Strange that it would say "Application shutdown" if it did then it would not go into a crashlog, correct?

[sleighzy]

Your system specs in the this post also say 64Gb, but your post also says 4x32 and the log also matches that, so it's actually 128Gb right?

4 minutes ago, Akula said:

I'll either CTD as soon as I line up or shortly after takeoff. Strange that it would say "Application shutdown" if it did then it would not go into a crashlog, correct?

What's the actual experience? Does the game just shutdown and you're returned to the desktop? Or there is a message popped up stating that the game crashed and to click a button to send a crash report?

[Akula]

4 minutes ago, sleighzy said:

Your system specs in the this post also say 64Gb, but your post also says 4x32 and the log also matches that, so it's actually 128Gb right?

What's the actual experience? Does the game just shutdown and you're returned to the desktop? Or there is a message popped up stating that the game crashed and to click a button to send a crash report?

Thanks for the help everyone,

My mistake. I had 64Gb when I wrote that up. I've since bumped it up to 128Gb 4x32.... I've tested the memory using memtest and all 4 sticks are stable and not defective or flawed.  "Memory try it" is MSI's tool that allows the layman to use 4 sticks of memory on a dual channel board and set the timings easily without having to mess about in the BIOS. It has worked perfectly so far so no reason for me to suspect the memory. 

 

The actual experience is as i have described it with the CTD being a total lock up in DCS with the mouse working if I remember correctly and it all just disappears as if I pressed "Quit to Desktop". Windows remains unaffected.  DXDIAG log attached

DxDiag.txt

[sleighzy]

The last 10 crashes in that dxdiag file are for a BlueScreen event with a 3d process. It appears that you performed a BIOS update based on what silverdevil said. Have you also updated all your drivers after this? Could you also try using DDU to clean your video driver and reinstall that again. Perhaps even use an earlier more stable version of the Nvidia graphics driver.

14 minutes ago, Akula said:

if I remember correctly and it all just disappears as if I pressed "Quit to Desktop"

Yeah, if it appears like pressing "Quit to Desktop" then this may be why it shows up in the DCS logs as if the application was shutdown vs. actually crashing. May be that Windows, unknown at this time, is stopping the process for whatever reason.

[MAXsenna]

Check your Windows Event Viewer. A few days back DCS decided to not start on me. (Crash before UI loaded). This was right after a Windows update. Nuked all mods, full slow repair, updated GPU drivers, DISM, SFC /scannow, renamed Saved Games, DX Diag and what not. Checked the events. Some driver crash. Safe mode, DDU, older driver. All peach. Seems the driver got corrupt somehow. A day wasted and lots of frustration. Who knows what happened.

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[Akula]

I did DDU a few times on Thursday when I first started having this issue…. It’s a longer story than you think so I’ll try to keep it short.

I removed GeForce experience to try Nvidia app and DCS started crashing. I used Revo Uninstaller to removed the Nvidia App and DDU to reinstall the card drivers. DCS was still crashing. Nothing would fix it so I went down a rabbit hole trying to troubleshoot and ended up corrupting windows so badly that I had to do a clean reinstall. Total nightmare. 

The constant BSODs after the install, unbeknownst to me, was due to me not installing all of the proper drivers for the devices I had connected via USB so after I had figured that out, onto installing and testing DCS…… and here we are lol. All this to say it’s been done and to no avail so far. I’ll play around with my settings to see if that fixes anything but thanks for the help. Any other tips would be greatly appreciated. 

9 minutes ago, MAXsenna said:

Check your Windows Event Viewer. A few days back DCS decided to not start on me. (Crash before UI loaded). This was right after a Windows update. Nuked all mods, full slow repair, updated GPU drivers, DISM, SFC /scannow, renamed Saved Games, DX Diag and what not. Checked the events. Some driver crash. Safe mode, DDU, older driver. All peach. Seems the driver got corrupt somehow. A day wasted and lots of frustration. Who knows what happened.

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Dude I know what you mean. Thursday was a nightmare. Everything you did to resolve the issue, I was doing on Thursday haha! DCS is definitely a love hate relationship

[sleighzy]

Good information (would have been good to know up front). It's pretty much the old, what have you changed recently, no matter how insignificant.

26 minutes ago, Akula said:

I removed GeForce experience to try Nvidia app and DCS started crashing.

Does this mean it was crashing in the same way it's crashing now? If so then maybe also revisit that, maybe something is still floating around.... DDU was done in safe mode? Revo Uninstaller is guaranteed to have uninstalled Nvidia app (and associated components) to get back to the previous state (so that installing GeForce Experience again is fine)?

Generally, if it ain't broke then don't fix it

[Akula]

32 minutes ago, sleighzy said:

Good information (would have been good to know up front). It's pretty much the old, what have you changed recently, no matter how insignificant.

Does this mean it was crashing in the same way it's crashing now? If so then maybe also revisit that, maybe something is still floating around.... DDU was done in safe mode? Revo Uninstaller is guaranteed to have uninstalled Nvidia app (and associated components) to get back to the previous state (so that installing GeForce Experience again is fine)?

Generally, if it ain't broke then don't fix it

Yeah, sorry for not mentioning it earlier. 
 

Now that you bring it up, yes it was crashing the same way before I reinstalled Windows. The Nvidia app was before the windows clean install so it’s not a factor anymore. I thought it might be a memory or voltage issue since I’m running 5.5Gb clock speed on all Pcores and running under 1.2volts which is conservative for the 14900k but more voltage than it was getting before for 5.5Gb. All my tweaking in the BIOS didn’t work and once I installed all the drivers for the peripherals windows stopped giving me BSODs. I haven’t been back to my simpit yet but I’ll keep testing to see what it might be and see if I can get a flight out of it. Fingers crossed. 

[TKhaos]

21 minutes ago, Akula said:

Now that you bring it up, yes it was crashing the same way before I reinstalled Windows. The Nvidia app was before the windows clean install so it’s not a factor anymore. I thought it might be a memory or voltage issue since I’m running 5.5Gb clock speed on all Pcores and running under 1.2volts which is conservative for the 14900k but more voltage than it was getting before for 5.5Gb. All my tweaking in the BIOS didn’t work and once I installed all the drivers for the peripherals windows stopped giving me BSODs. I haven’t been back to my simpit yet but I’ll keep testing to see what it might be and see if I can get a flight out of it. Fingers crossed. 

Was just about to ask if you did a clean install of the Nvidia stuff, sometimes stuff gets left behind and either have to use a clean up program or manually remove it but you just ruled that out by reinstalling Windows.

As you have done most of the stuff as mentioned above such as Event Viewer and it's not giving much to go on I would see if it's running any tasks when it happens, last time I looked at a system crashing (not DCS related) it was handy as happened the same time everyday so gave me a head start

Next time it does it make a note of the time and have a look to see if anything is logged at that time, can do it using Power Shell or Command LIne.

Start Powershell as Admin then type this command, it will sort it in descending order:

Get-ScheduledTask |  Get-ScheduledTaskInfo | Select TaskName, TaskPath, LastRunTime | Sort LastRunTime -Descending | out-gridview

Alternatively you can use the Command Prompt but the display is a bit more basic, this way you can save it as a MS Excel file:

schtasks /query /FO CSV /V >C:\Documents\tasks-list.csv

You can change the C:\Documents to whatever you like, so could even create a temporary directory like C:\Temp, as long as the directory exists for it to save to.

Bit off topic as well but make sure you got Microsoft Visual C++ 2015-2022 (x64) Build 14.40.33810 installed, although updated to Build 14.40.33816 few days ago.

https://aka.ms/vs/17/release/vc_redist.x64.exe

Edited October 20, 2024 by TKhaos

[MAXsenna]

New Windows install. Did you install all the latest VCredists?

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[TKhaos]

3 minutes ago, MAXsenna said:

New Windows install. Did you install all the latest VCredists?

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Was just updating my post when you posted that, another post I did reminded me

[MAXsenna]

Was just updating my post when you posted that, another post I did reminded me

I probably read that one!

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[Akula]

Thank you everyone for your help.

Quick update. I managed to narrow down this game crash after using the log analyzer in Discord (thanks ED, great tool) SSAO, SSLR and Civilian traffic was the cuplirt. for good measure I also disabled birds and DLSS.

DCS is running much better and now onto more testing on an MP server. I joined one of the 4ya Syria servers and everything was perfect until I started pressing F2 to toggle through he various jets in the area. DCS crashed to desktop like I had selected Quit to Desktop before the 4th plane was fully rendered (Razbam's F-15E if that makes a difference).

Attached is my crash log for this CTD but I'm thinking that it may just be because the server had so much going on that the game or my 3090 could not handle it anymore and crashed.

TIA 

dcs.log

[sleighzy]

Nothing immediate in the log re: crash.

There is one note however about disabling hot plug in your DCS CONTROLS settings. This may help with stutters as well as DCS won't be constantly scanning for new USB devices being added. You can always click the Rescan button if you plug in a new device.

[Kanelbolle]

10 hours ago, Akula said:

Thank you everyone for your help.

Quick update. I managed to narrow down this game crash after using the log analyzer in Discord (thanks ED, great tool) SSAO, SSLR and Civilian traffic was the cuplirt. for good measure I also disabled birds and DLSS.

DCS is running much better and now onto more testing on an MP server. I joined one of the 4ya Syria servers and everything was perfect until I started pressing F2 to toggle through he various jets in the area. DCS crashed to desktop like I had selected Quit to Desktop before the 4th plane was fully rendered (Razbam's F-15E if that makes a difference).

Attached is my crash log for this CTD but I'm thinking that it may just be because the server had so much going on that the game or my 3090 could not handle it anymore and crashed.

TIA 

dcs.log 288.43 kB · 2 downloads

Unless you're 3090 is defective it is highly doubtful your 3090 can't handle DCS in any multiplayer server. I have a 3090 and have no issues on any DCS mp server.

 

What SSD do you have? Reason I am askeding is because you have Windows 11 64 24H2 that has a known issue with WD SSD's.

In general if you are a gamer, I would stay away from test builds of Windows and rolle it back to the previous version.

 

Edited October 22, 2024 by Kanelbolle

[Akula]

On 10/22/2024 at 3:47 AM, Kanelbolle said:

Unless you're 3090 is defective it is highly doubtful your 3090 can't handle DCS in any multiplayer server. I have a 3090 and have no issues on any DCS mp server.

 

What SSD do you have? Reason I am askeding is because you have Windows 11 64 24H2 that has a known issue with WD SSD's.

In general if you are a gamer, I would stay away from test builds of Windows and rolle it back to the previous version.

 

 

I’m running 2 NVME’s, one SSD AND 2 SATA so a lot but in testing with a friend in MP, we tried using windows defender exclusions and excluded Simmap pro, Trackir, both DCS executables and it made the largest difference. No crashing and bitter smooth no matter what I pressed. (F2, toggling through jets and land vehicles/carriers. So it seems to be better now but still testing.

Edited October 24, 2024 by Akula

[Kanelbolle]

12 hours ago, Akula said:

I’m running 2 NVME’s, one SSD AND 2 SATA so a lot but in testing with a friend in MP, we tried Redding windows defender exclusions and excluded Simmap pro, Trackir, both DCS executables and it made the largest difference. No crashing and bitter smooth no matter what I pressed. (F2, toggling through jets and land vehicles/carriers. So it seems to be better now but still testing.

Good to hear it has improved. 

[silverdevil]

13 hours ago, Akula said:

windows defender exclusions and excluded Simmap pro, Trackir, both DCS executables and it made the largest difference

this is what i have in my defender. you should notice a faster opening time for DCS.

[sleighzy]

7 hours ago, silverdevil said:

this is what i have in my defender. you should notice a faster opening time for DCS.

You’re a brave person disabling your antivirus checking on your Downloads folder.

[silverdevil]

14 minutes ago, sleighzy said:

You’re a brave person disabling your antivirus checking on your Downloads folder.

i live on the edge "Mission Impossible 7: Infected"

seriously though, i shared the wrong image.

[Akula]

18 hours ago, silverdevil said:

this is what i have in my defender. you should notice a faster opening time for DCS.

Thanks. DCS loaded much quicker. Fewer crashes now.

[silverdevil]

5 hours ago, Akula said:

Thanks. DCS loaded much quicker. Fewer crashes now.

good to hear. let us know if there is any other anomalies.