Maximum height UH_1H after take off?

[jackd]

Been experimenting with a Huey controls (Warthog + crosswinds).

I now found a profile that has the right axis etc setup, and it works so far.

But after take off the Huey hits a invisible ceiling and wont go higher than approx 20 meters.

Guess it might be some of ground effect setting that maxes this, but how can you bypass it, and with what control can you get up higher?

 

 

 

[MAXsenna]

12 minutes ago, jackd said:

Been experimenting with a Huey controls (Warthog + crosswinds).

I now found a profile that has the right axis etc setup, and it works so far.

But after take off the Huey hits a invisible ceiling and wont go higher than approx 20 meters.

Guess it might be some of ground effect setting that maxes this, but how can you bypass it, and with what control can you get up higher?

 

 

 

Have you set the axis in the Warthog as sliders? I assume you use one as collective and the other as throttle. Are you sure the throttle is turned all the way to 100%?

Post a track? 

[jackd]

Throttle 100%, that was it i think, had the axis inverted, not set as sliders. Warthog Throttle axis stuff now as sliders, and joystick/ pedals with slider off?

Must try that first and  experiment with tuning settings as the Huey behaves too sensitive to the axis controllers.

ADDED testing a little and the joystick needs to be less sensitive still, but it seems to work. f.i cannot find settings and controller axis to get the thing hovering on one place ..

 

Edited October 24, 2024 by jackd

[MAXsenna]

23 minutes ago, jackd said:

Throttle 100%, that was it i think, had the axis inverted, not set as sliders. Warthog Throttle axis stuff now as sliders, and joystick/ pedals with slider off?

Must try that first and  experiment with tuning settings as the Huey behaves too sensitive to the axis controllers.

ADDED testing a little and the joystick needs to be less sensitive still, but it seems to work. f.i cannot find settings and controller axis to get the thing hovering on one place ..

 

 

All axis that are not 0-100 should be set as sliders, unlike sticks/wheels/pedals that has 0/centre in the middle.

I have no curves, while I do have a force feedback stick. For the throttle and collective I have set some small deadzones, to make sure they always reach 0. The Huey can be a little finicky in some campaigns, where the trigger needs absolute 0 input. 

Have a track? 

[jackd]

Ah, Thanks, never knew that. i'll make a track tomorrow, must leave ...

ADDED ... had no time yet sorry. maybe Sunday.

Edited October 25, 2024 by jackd

[jackd]

Hi Max, a track. Take off OK, but i cannot get it to reduce forward speed, hover and land without a barbecue ...

Huey crash 01.trk

Wathhog Throtthe used settings here:

Edited October 26, 2024 by jackd

[virgo47]

There seems to be something very wrong, at least from that track - is this how it looks for you? Those visual jumps back and forth? (Time slow down in the first pass is done by me, just to see what is going on.) From the outside view, it seems like the whole helo is glitched. I tried it two times - and the third time (~1:50) I took control and there seems to be no problem with the helicopter or the mission:

From the screenshot in one of the previous posts I don't see any axis conflict, neither I see a serious problem on the control indicator. I have no idea why it's glitching like this.

Edited October 26, 2024 by virgo47

[MAXsenna]

Hi Max, a track. Take off OK, but i cannot get it to reduce forward speed, hover and land without a barbecue ...
Huey crash 01.trk
Wathhog Throtthe used settings here:

I'll check out as soon as I can get DCS to start. Seems my computer is giving up on DCS.
WHY do you have curves on your collective? That's like having a curve on the throttle pedal in your car/boat or whatever.
I can understand that someone might want it on their cyclic, but it will teach you bad habits. If you can, get an old secondhand cheap joystick. Remove the spring, and tape some pole/stick onto it, and enjoy how good you are in seconds.

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[MAXsenna]

@jackd I've watched your track. Something's up with your installation. I'd get rid of having the throttle on the Warthog. It's not really needed, and then it's less likely you confuse the two. When you incorrectly lowered the throttle, you should have just settled down, and wait for engine/rotors to completely spool up again. There's also this bug when the rear of the skids hit the FARP, bad things can happen. I think that what's happen when you sank through the surface.
The glitching is strange. It disappears as soon as I take over. Have you bound anything to zoom axis. I don't think is that really. As the cockpit doesn't do it.
what's the green bar in the lower middle of the screen? Have never seen that before. You don't have game mode or something enabled, even if they removed it?
To make sure nothing is corrupted, I'd rename Saved Games and perform a full slow repair at this point. Pay attention to axis conflicts as all mappings are reset.

Little rusty in the Huey, and was very strange flying with a lever in a throttle, and not my collective. Long track.

UH-1H - Crash test1_26.10.24.trk

 

[virgo47]

3 hours ago, jackd said:

 

Now I look at this addition to your post... Some people have no problem with curves, even on collective, e.g. to have more sensitivity in the mid-range - but this is not your case, neither the biggest problem here. Why is there all the saturation lowered? Try 100 for both saturations so you access the whole range of the collective. As for the throttle - as mentioned above, you definitely should let it settle on max before doing anything with the collective (minimum collective until then).

That said, I still feel like there is something else fishy going on with your DCS. MAXsenna may be right with some mod or what.

Edited October 26, 2024 by virgo47

[jackd]

7 hours ago, virgo47 said:

There seems to be something very wrong, at least from that track - is this how it looks for you? Those visual jumps back and forth? (Time slow down in the first pass is done by me, just to see what is going on.) From the outside view, it seems like the whole helo is glitched. I tried it two times - and the third time (~1:50) I took control and there seems to be no problem with the helicopter or the mission:

From the screenshot in one of the previous posts I don't see any axis conflict, neither I see a serious problem on the control indicator. I have no idea why it's glitching like this.

 

Thanks for looking, that jittery screen jumping i don't have only stuttering when i leave core 8 active.

tested the track, playback stops at a certain point before the crash while trying lo land.

I cannot get the heli to hover above the take off point and then move forward, let alone take off moving forwards.

[jackd]

5 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

@jackd I've watched your track. Something's up with your installation. I'd get rid of having the throttle on the Warthog. It's not really needed, and then it's less likely you confuse the two. When you incorrectly lowered the throttle, you should have just settled down, and wait for engine/rotors to completely spool up again. There's also this bug when the rear of the skids hit the FARP, bad things can happen. I think that what's happen when you sank through the surface.
The glitching is strange. It disappears as soon as I take over. Have you bound anything to zoom axis. I don't think is that really. As the cockpit doesn't do it.
what's the green bar in the lower middle of the screen? Have never seen that before. You don't have game mode or something enabled, even if they removed it?
To make sure nothing is corrupted, I'd rename Saved Games and perform a full slow repair at this point. Pay attention to axis conflicts as all mappings are reset.

Little rusty in the Huey, and was very strange flying with a lever in a throttle, and not my collective. Long track.

UH-1H - Crash test1_26.10.24.trk

 

I have zoom in slow on 2 buttons of the joystick, and the slider on the throttle unit as well. I don't have the glitching.

That green bar is always there and is set called lifebar? ..........\DCS World Openbeta\Mods\aircraft\Uh-1H\Cockpit\Scripts\LifeBar

If i delete-rename Saved Games with my careful edited profiles for other planes will i loose all that?

Game mode, where can i find that?

Edited October 26, 2024 by jackd

[MAXsenna]

55 minutes ago, jackd said:

Thanks for looking, that jittery screen jumping i don't have only stuttering when i leave core 8 active.

Okay, that seems really strange that it's even "recorded".

47 minutes ago, jackd said:

I have zoom in slow on 2 buttons of the joystick, and the slider on the throttle unit as well. I don't have the glitching.

Well, "explained" above.

47 minutes ago, jackd said:

That green bar is always there and is set called lifebar? ..........\DCS World Openbeta\Mods\aircraft\Uh-1H\Cockpit\Scripts\LifeBar

Oh, so you export it on purpose?

48 minutes ago, jackd said:

If i delete-rename Saved Games with my careful edited profiles for other planes will i loose all that?

EVERYTING is removed. So DON'T delete, rename. And then you can just copy back what you need. But, reading @virgo47's comment above. I am more and more sure it's your curves/saturation. Just reset all  axis settings. Set the collective as a slider, (and the throttle), and try again.

50 minutes ago, jackd said:

Game mode, where can i find that?

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I don't believe you have it on. You'd noticed in other modules, and I'm not even sure if it works anymore. It will be removed.
As I wrote above. It's your axis settings for the collective. I'm more and more positive about it. So no need to repair and reset Saved Games until you've reset the axis.

 

Cheers!

[jackd]

Just started reinstalling the whole DCS ...

[Slippa]

You might not have to Jack.

Rename your saved games folder like Max says. Then check your bindings.

I just checked mine for the Huey as you’re using the same tools I use, the WH & Crosswinds. I don’t have any curves on my throttle at all and the stick I think I have a curve of 25, that’s it, and that’s personal preference. 

Good luck with it, you’ll get it sorted.

[MAXsenna]

Just started reinstalling the whole DCS ...

That won't fix anything if the error is in Saved Games, like your bindings/axis settings. Also, a re-installation will never do anything a repair won't do.

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[jackd]

OK, cancelled the reinstall. Thnx

[MAXsenna]

@jackd Did you get some progress with this?

[jackd]

Hi Max, not yet, alas no time so far. The defaults are completely different to what i am used to BTW, need to be heavily adapted for me.

Pff, where are the days that just a PS4 controller was enough.

ADDED: still messing around, tend to give it up again, as i cannot get my axis TM warthog joystick and throttle settings to "feel"right.

Edited October 30, 2024 by jackd

[jackd]

Yesterday's update is now installed, and my settings without changes seem to work OK now.

But the stuttering still happens until l i switch off affinity for core 8.

[MAXsenna]

23 hours ago, jackd said:

Yesterday's update is now installed, and my settings without changes seem to work OK now.

But the stuttering still happens until l i switch off affinity for core 8.

Maybe you should log a case with support, as I see less and less users doing it. Or, maybe enable HT again.  

[jackd]

longtime support chat going on testing various settings .... am now trying to use windows 11 pro instead, but i hate this windows .. all that bulls**tt not present in 10 LTSC.

Edited November 1, 2024 by jackd