[NO BUG] When Phoenixes are placed on 1B and 8B

[Silent Film]

When Phoenixes are placed on 1B and 8B, they delete Sparrows from 3, 5, and 6 (on 4 it remains), because Phoenix pylons are placed on 3 and 6 for no reason. And when I replace Phoenixes with Sparrows, Phoenix pylons still remain on 3 and 6, mixing with Sparrows.

[Naquaii]

Not a bug, the forward phoenix pallets need to be mounted if you want to carry any phoenixes at all.

The thing with the pallets remaining when you rearm is unfortunately a current DCS limitation. Solution is to choose a new preset instead from the list.

Edited October 24, 2024 by Naquaii

[Silent Film]

10 hours ago, Naquaii said:

Not a bug, the forward phoenix pallets need to be mounted if you want to carry any phoenixes at all.

Why the forward Phoenix pallets need to be mounted if I want to carry Phoenixes on 1B and 8B? I want a configuration with 2 Sidewinders on 1A and 8A, 2 Phoenixes on 1B and 8B, and 4 Sparrows on 3, 4, 5, and 6. That is impossible?

[Lt_Jaeger]

No, it isn't as stated above. 

In the (front) pallets are the cooling system and whatnot for the Aim-54. You plain need them if you want to carry a Phoenix on whatever station. 

[draconus]

Is this wrong then?

https://heatblur.se/F-14Manual/weapons.html#aim-54-phoenix

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The F-14 is capable of carrying up to 6 AIM-54 missiles, four on rails on the fuselage and one each on the glove pylons. Because of the missile cooling system used the two front phoenix pylons must always be mounted meaning that the rear fuselage pylons can’t be used if the front ones aren’t present. The glove pylons contain their own cooling systems.

[Naquaii]

7 hours ago, Silent Film said:

Why the forward Phoenix pallets need to be mounted if I want to carry Phoenixes on 1B and 8B? I want a configuration with 2 Sidewinders on 1A and 8A, 2 Phoenixes on 1B and 8B, and 4 Sparrows on 3, 4, 5, and 6. That is impossible?

As mentioned the coolant system for the AIM-54 on the F-14A/B was located in the forward part of the two front fuselage AIM-54 pallets. If those aren't present you can't use the AIM-54 on those aircraft. So yes, the loadout you want isn't realistic and not possible.

6 hours ago, draconus said:

Is this wrong then?

https://heatblur.se/F-14Manual/weapons.html#aim-54-phoenix

As written, yes. It was written before we found out the exact details of the coolant system so it's not entirely correct. It's correct in so far as that the gloves contain coolant lines for the coolant to the missiles but the cooling system itself is in the fuselage pallets and the coolant lines from the gloves are connected to that.

[RustBelt]

What about the 54C’s aren’t those internally cooled?

[Ivandrov]

7 hours ago, RustBelt said:

What about the 54C’s aren’t those internally cooled?

I'm assuming DCS models the earlier 54C, which still runs with the coolant from the pallets.

Later C models come with a ECCM upgrade and are completely sealed but come with a max flight speed restriction which is probably difficult or impossible to model in the current DCS environment.

Edited October 26, 2024 by Ivandrov

[Naquaii]

16 hours ago, RustBelt said:

What about the 54C’s aren’t those internally cooled?

Afaik that actually depends on the aircraft, the F-14D had no liquid cooling at all for the AIM-54, it instead had electrical connections for internal coolant which the older F-14 variants didn't have. What I've gather is that the same missiles could be either liquid cooled or electrically cooled using the internal system, depending on what F-14 carried it.

Edited October 26, 2024 by Naquaii