reported Weapons and sometimes aircraft flicker or derender.

[Biggus]

Not sure if this one has been reported or not as yet.

Sometimes aircraft and/or their weapons flicker in and out of a rendered state.  I've had an AI aircraft that I was fighting entirely derender during BFM.  See video below for example.

 

[silverdevil]

14 hours ago, Biggus said:

Not sure if this one has been reported or not as yet.

Sometimes aircraft and/or their weapons flicker in and out of a rendered state.  I've had an AI aircraft that I was fighting entirely derender during BFM.  See video below for example.

i have seen this before. not often. honestly i just ignore it. i have never seen it from the cockpit. i rarely fly around in any view except cockpit. perhaps this is why i rarely see the artefacts. do you notice any other graphics anomalies?

[Biggus]

1 hour ago, silverdevil said:

i have seen this before. not often. honestly i just ignore it. i have never seen it from the cockpit. i rarely fly around in any view except cockpit. perhaps this is why i rarely see the artefacts. do you notice any other graphics anomalies?

I have seen this from the cockpit occasionally, but it is probably easier to notice from an external view just because of the amount of time I have eyes on those objects that tend to disappear.

There is one other place where I see anomalies, and that's the F10 map.  A grid will sometimes render and disappear with roughly the same timing.  I'm going to do a full reinstall today, because I'm inclined to think it's just an issue on my end.

[MAXsenna]

17 minutes ago, Biggus said:

I'm going to do a full reinstall today, because I'm inclined to think it's just an issue on my end.

A full reinstall will not do what a repair won't do. And if it's on your end. It's faster to rename the Saved Games folder which neither a repair nor a full reinstall will touch. 

[Biggus]

On 11/16/2024 at 10:19 AM, MAXsenna said:

A full reinstall will not do what a repair won't do. And if it's on your end. It's faster to rename the Saved Games folder which neither a repair nor a full reinstall will touch. 

I regret that I did not see this message roughly an hour earlier!

@MAXsenna, you're absolutely correct.  In hindsight though, I don't consider it entirely a wasted effort as just wiping the entire thing, downloading and then importing my binds helped clear out all the superfluous scripts I've accumulated over the last few years.  The game is running a bit smoother as a result.  Alas, the flickering remains.  I'm considering the possibility that it's not my gaming rig at fault but rather my dedicated server that is causing the issue, as my wingmen have now reported that they are seeing the same flickering.  That same server seems to have issues rendering weapons on the A-4E for some unknown reason, so I'm going to run a repair on that and see if I can work out the root cause.

[MAXsenna]

9 hours ago, Biggus said:

you're absolutely correct.  In hindsight though, I don't consider it entirely a wasted effort as just wiping the entire thing, downloading and then importing my binds helped clear out all the superfluous scripts I've accumulated over the last few years.

Of course, if you're download speed is fine, it's no harm. Mine is good, while a full re-installation is close to 1TB for me now. Imagine doing that on ISDN spped3!  

As for renaming the Saved Games, it's a neat little trick for temporarily check if the error is in the settings. 

9 hours ago, Biggus said:

I'm considering the possibility that it's not my gaming rig at fault but rather my dedicated server that is causing the issue, as my wingmen have now reported that they are seeing the same flickering.  That same server seems to have issues rendering weapons on the A-4E for some unknown reason, so I'm going to run a repair on that and see if I can work out the root cause

I know the mods have stated that multithreading is a far away feature that won't benefit a server, which seems baffling to me. What I would try first is a mission with only a single unit, player, and then consider to remove the A-4E-C. Those should be easy quick checks for testing. 

[silverdevil]

4 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

ISDN spped3!

lol

[Biggus]

18 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

Imagine doing that on ISDN spped3!  

Well that's nightmare material!

The A-4E weapons issue I've isolated to the server box.  I created a mission as you described a couple of days ago.  Weapons appear fine on my gaming rig.  I have asked for assistance in the A-4 discord but I haven't had much luck there.  I will retest that issue tonight as I begin to add the small number of mods I have again.  However after a repair on the server, weapons are still showing a flicker every now and then.

[tikijoetots37]

Just checking in to report this is also happening to us on my Dedicated server running a Retribution/Liberation campaigns. Have not tried a repair, but will soon. Only mods we have running are C130, A-4E & the black hawk. We are flying the F4, but have a bunch of AI A4E's running ground attacks. Same issues on all planes, the ordinance & Bags pop in and out, sometimes its worse than other times. LMK if the repair works!

[Biggus]

9 hours ago, tikijoetots37 said:

Just checking in to report this is also happening to us on my Dedicated server running a Retribution/Liberation campaigns. Have not tried a repair, but will soon. Only mods we have running are C130, A-4E & the black hawk. We are flying the F4, but have a bunch of AI A4E's running ground attacks. Same issues on all planes, the ordinance & Bags pop in and out, sometimes its worse than other times. LMK if the repair works!

That's pretty much exactly my setup, Retribution and that trio of mods.  Repair has not worked, however I think I might have isolated the cause.  Will report back in a day or so with a possible fix.

[Biggus]

Update - Although I've fixed the A-4 missing weapons issue, the flicker remains and I've just had a mission spoiled by a Fishbed that did not render and was therefore impervious to heat seekers.  I've had Fishbeds fail to render a few times since this bug has been in effect.  Haven't noticed any other planes doing it.

[tikijoetots37]

On 11/19/2024 at 3:38 AM, Biggus said:

Update - Although I've fixed the A-4 missing weapons issue, the flicker remains and I've just had a mission spoiled by a Fishbed that did not render and was therefore impervious to heat seekers.  I've had Fishbeds fail to render a few times since this bug has been in effect.  Haven't noticed any other planes doing it.

If you don't mind me asking, what fixed your issue with the A4 weapons! I've been banging my head against a wall for a month trying to figure that one out. Best regards

[Biggus]

18 hours ago, tikijoetots37 said:

If you don't mind me asking, what fixed your issue with the A4 weapons! I've been banging my head against a wall for a month trying to figure that one out. Best regards

A-4E mod was in the game folder, not the save games folder.

 

Something I've noticed - Missions without Fishbeds seem to not have flicker.

[Biggus]

@tikijoetots37 There's definitely something about the Fishbeds causing the flickering effect.  I'm not sure if it's something that Retribution is doing with the mission or whether it's a DCS bug.  Right now, all I know is that there's no flickering at all if I don't have MiG-21s in the mission.  I tested to see whether installing the liveries on the server would help, but it did not.  I might try and copy the entire module to the server to test next.

[Biggus]

This bug has apparently been reported by others on the DCS Discord.  Hopefully it'll be squashed soon.

[Volator]

On 11/16/2024 at 12:00 AM, Biggus said:

I have seen this from the cockpit occasionally, but it is probably easier to notice from an external view just because of the amount of time I have eyes on those objects that tend to disappear.

There is one other place where I see anomalies, and that's the F10 map.  A grid will sometimes render and disappear with roughly the same timing.  I'm going to do a full reinstall today, because I'm inclined to think it's just an issue on my end.

I experience this bug a lot in the cockpit.

 

[Vox]

 

[Nealius]

Massive issue in MP. The entire carrier will flicker in-and-out like that as well.

[SspectrumM]

Same here.

For some time now (I think since the last update), this problem has been occurring. So far, I've only noticed it in multiplayer, and all my friends are experiencing the same issue. I've also noticed that CTD have become very common, especially during the launch of multiple bombs.

[Biggus]

I've been seeing crashes related to unrendered aircraft in the time since I reported this.  I've had unrendered Foxbats and Fitters, and when they are engaged, it generally leads to clients within a certain proximity to crash.  Players all seeing the same thing though - unrendered aircraft.  Crashes occur without generating any log entries to help.  Game freezes, clicking mouse brings up the 'do you want to wait for the game to respond?' and I either click to end the process or I let it sit hung forever.

Edited December 4, 2024 by Biggus

[SspectrumM]

6 hours ago, Biggus said:

Crashes occur without generating any log entries to help.  Game freezes, clicking mouse brings up the 'do you want to wait for the game to respond?' and I either click to end the process or I let it sit hung forever.

 

That is exactly what's been happening.

[Biggus]

Haven't noticed the flicker so far with today's patch, but two clients crashed tonight clicking on the same H-6J.

@NineLine, I wonder if this thread might be best moved to the multiplayer bugs forum as it sounds like an MP-only issue?  I suspect it's a dedicated server bug.

[BIGNEWY]

Hi, 

please include a dcs log from the session so we can look for clues. 

Please also remove all unofficial mods to rule out conflicts. 

I will move to Multiplayer section. 

thank you 

[Biggus]

@BIGNEWYThanks for doing that so quickly.

I'll see about grabbing a modless set of server and client logs for you over the next few days.

[C525]

Hi,

had this today as well on my server. Played around with the new Fog at Caucasus, after that we went on to Nevada without any Fog and no flickering at all.

 

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