can not reproduce R-27R missing targets also as 27ER.

[GRY Money]

The solution on a gameplay level for this would be to introduce a proper pilot physiology model (equal across all Modules where you'd expect a G-suit) that would prevent you from having perfect avionics control (operating an MFD or Radar like we do at a desk in a 6G+ loaded roll is an ambitious interpretation) in such a violent maneuver and also cause heavy pilot dizzieness ontop - like any other relevant flight sim has implemented it -. This would also punish people who abuse the lagroll in Multiplayer. 

But Nick Grey said they don't really care about the gameplay aspect of DCS. So this entire thing about R27s missing, AIm-120 barrellrolling etc. is pointless and expecting DCS changes on a gameplay level is not realistic accroding to ED themselves. 

Edited October 22 by GRY Money

[MAXsenna]

4 hours ago, GRY Money said:

But Nick Grey said they don't really care about the gameplay aspect of DCS

He said they care about fidelity though!  

[Thirsty]

The R-27 doesn't even need to be defended, since it will throw itself off from the target, no turning, no chaff, nothing has to be done.
And this happened multiple times now.
The API clearly works as inteded, defenetly not bugged.

No worries in the end, its only all the BVR armament of the MiG-29, so it is very usable.

Edited October 26 by Thirsty
Added more pictures of dissapointment.

[Creampie]

On 10/25/2025 at 8:30 PM, Thirsty said:

The R-27 doesn't even need to be defended, since it will throw itself off from the target, no turning, no chaff, nothing has to be done.
And this happened multiple times now.
The API clearly works as inteded, defenetly not bugged.

No worries in the end, its only all the BVR armament of the MiG-29, so it is very usable.

 

wow

[Dipirona4100]

The R27 in the current condition is almost not usable at all, like they said above in the post.

There is absolutely no way they arent broken

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[Dipirona4100]

Another video that i recorded, i simulated first a mig21 with a r3r, then a mig29s with the r27r, with optimal launch parameters

 

 

[Drona]

On 10/28/2025 at 6:44 AM, Dipirona4100 said:

Another video that i recorded, i simulated first a mig21 with a r3r, then a mig29s with the r27r, with optimal launch parameters

 

 

Lol, a 1960s missile hits and a 1980s missile misses. 

[BIGNEWY]

On 9/24/2025 at 6:23 PM, LaCiKa said:

Same story no difference, just when missile is about to hit, it goes in other direction.

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Hi LaCiKa, 

thank you for the tracks. 

We have taken a look but it seems in all tracks the target lock is broken, it could be the track replays are not playing back correctly, but we have tested the R-27 locally and in MP and we are not seeing a problem. 

Feel free to add more short as possible track replays, we will continue to look for issues.

thank you 

[ECTAE]

On 10/28/2025 at 2:14 AM, Dipirona4100 said:

Another video that i recorded, i simulated first a mig21 with a r3r, then a mig29s with the r27r, with optimal launch parameters

 

 

Work as intended! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[Thirsty]

On 10/28/2025 at 2:14 AM, Dipirona4100 said:

Another video that i recorded, i simulated first a mig21 with a r3r, then a mig29s with the r27r, with optimal launch parameters

Please can you get the Track file and send it to Bignewy here? 

Since I think that will help more with this case.

We need to get this fixed 

[AeriaGloria]

Yes, videos and tacview will do little to help ED correct this. The more track files the better. 
 

I recommend doing your tracks with you 5 degrees below target or more so target cannot really notch you, therefore only guidance deficiencies of the R-27R/ER will be seen. 

[Dipirona4100]

11 hours ago, BIGNEWY said:

Hi LaCiKa, 

thank you for the tracks. 

We have taken a look but it seems in all tracks the target lock is broken, it could be the track replays are not playing back correctly, but we have tested the R-27 locally and in MP and we are not seeing a problem. 

Feel free to add more short as possible track replays, we will continue to look for issues.

thank you 

Hello,

 

I took some time and recorded some Tacview files and a video from my perspective using the R27R in a MIG29S against a FA18 (Veteran), here are some examples.

 

As you can see, its very unreliable, hitting only some times, most of the time the missile misses with the slightest turn from the enemy plane.

 

 

1.acmi 2.acmi 3.acmi 4.acmi 5.acmi 6.acmi 7.acmi 8.acmi 9.acmi R27.trk

[Thirsty]

17 hours ago, Dipirona4100 said:

Hello,

 

I took some time and recorded some Tacview files and a video from my perspective using the R27R in a MIG29S against a FA18 (Veteran), here are some examples.

 

As you can see, its very unreliable, hitting only some times, most of the time the missile misses with the slightest turn from the enemy plane.

And not even mentioning that how close range this shots are!

I wonder how bad the resaults will be if the distances goes from the 2-5 NM to the 10 plus or even 20 plus distance. . .

[AeriaGloria]

19 hours ago, Dipirona4100 said:

Hello,

 

I took some time and recorded some Tacview files and a video from my perspective using the R27R in a MIG29S against a FA18 (Veteran), here are some examples.

 

As you can see, its very unreliable, hitting only some times, most of the time the missile misses with the slightest turn from the enemy plane.

 

 

1.acmi 35.35 kB · 0 downloads 2.acmi 30.53 kB · 0 downloads 3.acmi 26.79 kB · 0 downloads 4.acmi 61.8 kB · 0 downloads 5.acmi 56.01 kB · 0 downloads 6.acmi 57.6 kB · 0 downloads 7.acmi 55.19 kB · 0 downloads 8.acmi 28.43 kB · 0 downloads 9.acmi 62.13 kB · 0 downloads R27.trk 425.79 kB · 1 download

What would you say was your experience hit rate? 

[GRY Money]

vor 2 Stunden schrieb AeriaGloria:

What would you say was your experience hit rate? 

R-27R/ER hitrate is 0% since it can be defeated with 100% consistency by somebody who knows what he's doing, including Veteran/Ace AI. 

Edited Friday at 10:21 PM by GRY Money

[Dipirona4100]

7 hours ago, AeriaGloria said:

What would you say was your experience hit rate? 

I play mostly PvP servers, against a real human pilot they are really hard to hit, idk the exact percentage of hits/launches, but they certainly are pretty low...

[MA_VMF]

 

[Ironhand]

23 hours ago, AeriaGloria said:

What would you say was your experience hit rate? 

 

15 hours ago, Dipirona4100 said:

I play mostly PvP servers, against a real human pilot they are really hard to hit, idk the exact percentage of hits/launches, but they certainly are pretty low...

@Dipirona4100,FWIW, taking control of your TRK, I get first missile hit roughly 50-60% of the time. Take chaff out of the equation and it jumps to roughly 90% for the first missile. Admittedly I run the attack differently than you do (lower airspeed, stay below him, and, given the short range, use Med or ILV). I've attached a representative TRK file. At lower altitudes, especially, I find it best to stay below your target. At high altitude (10km or higher), you can get away with letting him get a few hundred meters below you. But don't do that at the altitude you're flying in your TRK.

Dipirona4100_R27-Ironhand.trk

[Dipirona4100]

2 hours ago, Ironhand said:

 

@Dipirona4100,FWIW, taking control of your TRK, I get first missile hit roughly 50-60% of the time. Take chaff out of the equation and it jumps to roughly 90% for the first missile. Admittedly I run the attack differently than you do (lower airspeed, stay below him, and, given the short range, use Med or ILV). I've attached a representative TRK file. At lower altitudes, especially, I find it best to stay below your target. At high altitude (10km or higher), you can get away with letting him get a few hundred meters below you. But don't do that at the altitude you're flying in your TRK.

Dipirona4100_R27-Ironhand.trk 135.69 kB · 1 download

But in the conditions i fired it should hit the target, even the r3r and aim7e family probably would hit with same launch parameters, the R27 is not performing correctly.

[Ironhand]

4 hours ago, Dipirona4100 said:

But in the conditions i fired it should hit the target, even the r3r and aim7e family probably would hit with same launch parameters, the R27 is not performing correctly.

What were the conditions that have you convinced that it absolutely should have hit the target?