159th_Falcon Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 Hi all, Just two simple questions; 1; Do you PUSH our PULL the trothle lever of your HOTAS? 2; In either case, WHAT made you decide to do it that way? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] The keeper of all mathematical knowledge and the oracle of flight modeling.:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckle Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 PULL. When I started I kept forgetting (hadn't flown heli sim prior) what the collective did, so eventually looked at the movement in cockpit, which is towards me, and reversed control accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snacko Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 1; Pull 2; Because you pull up on a real collective. Intel I9-10850K (OC @ 5.0ghz) │ Asus Maximus XII Hero │ G.Skill Ripjaws 64GB (4x16GB) DDR4 3200 │ Thermaltake Water 360mm Gigabyte RTX 4090 Gaming OC 24gb │ 2TB M.2 EVO Pro; 1T M.2 EVO; Sandisk SSD Drives │ 49" Samsung Curved Widescreen │ 28" Touchscreen - ҉ - Blackshark Cockpit Trainer - ҉ - ♣ Thread | ♥ Download Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squid_DK Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 I reversed it so I pull to increase collective, Did that in DI's Hind aswell Staffan http://www.ipms.dk i7 9700K, Asus Z390 Prime A, Be Quiet Dark Rock Pro 4, GeForce RTX 2080 Ti STRIX ROG, Fractal Design Define R6, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, MFG Crosswind, Oculus Rift S. 32 GB 3200 MHz RAM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EtherealN Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 I don't have a Hotas, but on my stick I pull. Because conveniently enough, the movement of the throttle on a Cyborg Evo is up. So the "push for power" of aircraft and "pull for power" of helicopters becomes one and the same movement. :P [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Daniel "EtherealN" Agorander | Даниэль "эфирныйн" Агорандер Intel i7 2600K @ 4.4GHz, ASUS Sabertooth P67, 8GB Corsair Vengeance @ 1600MHz, ASUS GTX 560Ti DirectCU II 1GB, Samsung 830series 512GB SSD, Corsair AX850w, two BENQ screens and TM HOTAS Warthog DCS: A-10C Warthog FAQ | DCS: P-51D FAQ | Remember to read the Forum Rules | | | Life of a Game Tester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyfoot Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 Not trying to be pedantic, but you know you have a throttle (either as Port and Stbd Engines, or both engines ganged together) AND you have Collective settings in the in game options menu. Don't make the mistake of setting your HOTAS Throttle to the game options throttle, you need to set your HOTAS throttle as the in game collective. I have an X52 Pro, my throttle is set to Collective (and using the in game tuning, reverse the axis/gradient) and I have one of my rotaries set as ganged throttle (so I adjust the throttle on start up, you rarely have to touch it after that, unless you lose an engine or are high up in the mountains). If it's easier, think of pulling the collective up as pulling you away from the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zembla Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 I push on my throttle. I felt the HOTAS bore zero similarity to the real life Ka-50 setup, so I stuck with what I knew. -Z [sigpic][/sigpic] I aaaaaam ... a banana! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemises Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 pull.. ..I still want urze's collective mod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddahlstrom Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 I push. Like Zembla, I don't think the throttle resembles a real collective sufficiently for it to bother me. My throttle also has an afterburner detent when pushed nearly full that becomes annoying when running it reversed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaOneSix Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 I push. Like Zembla, I don't think the throttle resembles a real collective sufficiently for it to bother me. My throttle also has an afterburner detent when pushed nearly full that becomes annoying when running it reversed. If it's the X-52 throttle, I had that, too. The day I took it out (a very simple task) was a very happy day indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancelot Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 Push, because its very diferent from a collective, and also don't loose custom of the use of the throttle with aircraft sims. I choose a little loss of realism in exchange of trying to keep things similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hannibal Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 let me say something..once you go collective.. you dont even waNT to go back to a regular throttle... find me on steam! username: Hannibal_A101A http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197969447179 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancelot Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 I meant that i use the hotas throttle as a collective, but i have to push it to increase lift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulreciever Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 I neither push or pull. I use the Antenna elevation wheel at my Cougar. The throttle itself is always lazy when i play BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petherf Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 I use the Man RNG wheel on my Cougar And legolasindars profile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaman Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 I push my Cougar throttle, didn't like the idea of pulling it. It is horizontal, now way to feel it like a real collective, so I don't want to change they way I'm used to operate it. 51PVO Founding member (DEC2007-) 100KIAP Founding member (DEC2018-) :: Shaman aka [100☭] Shamansky tail# 44 or 444 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 100KIAP Regiment Early Warning & Control officer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurtz Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 My X52pro pulls pitch as well. Ive found it very natural since the LB2 days using an MS sidewinder, I even had to mod all my RC heli remotes to pull pitch as well as i was so used to it. I find it far more easy to revert to push for fixed wing, than to revert to pull for heli. Flying helicoptor sims is an aquired skill, that requires much practice, pushing throttle in a fixed wing is no more complex than reaching forward for my beer ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlainSight Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 Pulling all the way, because when you see collective lever rise when you pull the throttle, it's just more natural and logical thing. If you push, reverse the command and give it a try. To me, it's just more natural that way. [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
159th_Falcon Posted August 25, 2009 Author Share Posted August 25, 2009 My X52pro pulls pitch as well. Ive found it very natural since the LB2 days using an MS sidewinder, I even had to mod all my RC heli remotes to pull pitch as well as i was so used to it. I find it far more easy to revert to push for fixed wing, than to revert to pull for heli. Flying helicopter sims is an acquired skill, that requires much practice, pushing throttle in a fixed wing is no more complex than reaching forward for my beer ;) Well said. Its funny how some people stray off topic from two simple questions but i found all comments very interesting indeed. As for myself; 1 PULL 2 Because its the same as in real helicopter, that the orientations is different (horizontal versus vertical) doesn't bother me. In both cases its move the lever away and ya go down, move it towards you and go up. (on aircraft i push to increase engine power and pull to decrease engine power) If it's the X-52 throttle, I had that, too. The day I took it out (a very simple task) was a very happy day indeed. you got any site for me that has an little explanation on how it works? if possible whit some pictures? My X52 pro is like 5 weeks old and dont feel like ruining it by doing something i don't know how to do. (is it possible to fit the detents back in to?) ***OFF TOPIC*** Kurtz, wasnt it possible to set you transmitter to a different mode to get your helis operating as you wanted to? Should not be needed whit an average Tx to modify your helo's [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] The keeper of all mathematical knowledge and the oracle of flight modeling.:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey45 Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 Push, but I might try pulling it later... The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snacko Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 I have mine setup so that it bottoms and tops out at the bumps(indents) on the X52 throttle. That way I don't have to push it over the bumps to get 0 or 100%, which can be hard to fine tune it to exactly where you want it. Intel I9-10850K (OC @ 5.0ghz) │ Asus Maximus XII Hero │ G.Skill Ripjaws 64GB (4x16GB) DDR4 3200 │ Thermaltake Water 360mm Gigabyte RTX 4090 Gaming OC 24gb │ 2TB M.2 EVO Pro; 1T M.2 EVO; Sandisk SSD Drives │ 49" Samsung Curved Widescreen │ 28" Touchscreen - ҉ - Blackshark Cockpit Trainer - ҉ - ♣ Thread | ♥ Download Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boulund Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 I've got my X52 pro configured almost the same as Snacko. I've got the axis tuned so that I've still got a tiny bit of action beyond the two indents, just because it feels better to go past the indent when I idle or when I want max power. On topic I pull. Started off as pushing when moving from my Logitech Extreme 3D Pro where it just felt right pushing for power. But I actually found it quite awkward pushing for power on my X52 so I decided to change it around and now I can't fly any other way =) Pull for power! Core i5-760 @ 3.6Ghz, 4GB DDR3, Geforce GTX470, Samsung SATA HDD, Dell UH2311H 1920x1080, Saitek X52 Pro., FreeTrack homemade cap w/ LifeCam VX-1000, Windows 7 Professional x64 SP1. FreeTrack in DCS A10C (64bit): samttheeagle's headtracker.dll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CE_Mikemonster Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 It's impossible to argue one way is better than the other so whichever feels most natural! Spit.. or swallow..? Too many cowboys. Not enough indians. GO APE SH*T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
159th_Viper Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 Spit.. or swallow..? Gargle.......... I Push/Grunt btw :joystick: Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey45 Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 ***EDITED*** The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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