JDAM A-10 strikes...

[hannibal]

just out of curiousity for A-10 campaigns,

 

lets say can some one make a mission such as WP1, 1st group of A-10's (player controller0 clear AA's SPAA's, etc.

 

allowing aircrafts to get in to AOR...

 

AOR heavy with Migs and shkhoi's...so another A-10 group (player controller) is escorted by F-16s or F15's (Ai) so that player controller A-10s can get into target area to release JDAMs designated by Ai ground units... (or even Ka-50s for that matter though it would have been hostile for them to be there in the first place...)

 

 

i mean, this is the A-10c digtally upgraded, im so curious what is the capabiltites of this puppy...

 

will N. Grumman Litening AT advanced targeting pods and Sniper XR targeting pods be part of loadout...

 

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/index.php%3Fend_pos%3D2320%26scr%3Ddefault%26lang%3Dru&ei=xF-VSvSKCMSFtgeZz-RK&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/index.php%253Fend_pos%253D2320%2526scr%253Ddefault%2526lang%253Dru%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG

cant even begin to imagine what this MFD's will do...

 

ILS...i cant wait to land again!!!!

Edited August 26, 2009 by hannibal

[Eddie]

LITENING is on the A-10C and in the sim, it's listed at the bottom of that very page you linked to and in the WIP screenshots posted on SimHQ mere days ago. From what I have read so far Sniper XR 'could' be fitted to the A-10C but it isn't.

 

As for the JDAM part of you post, can you clarify as I can't actually make out what you are asking.

[hannibal]

i guess i am asking, is such a scenario possible as a mission?

 

dropping JDAMs.

 

escorted by Ai Jets

 

CAS with Ai ground troop interaction..

 

unususal stuff not related to the typical bomb drop and missile lock and 30mm release..

 

i mean Tfc/ED/dcs makes the daymn sim for the USAF.. i wonder what scenarios to they train on....

[GGTharos]

JDAMs tend to be used against pre-planned targets or interesting targets such as caves.

 

LGBs will be a little more likely to be used in conjunction with ground units.

 

As for what's happening with the sim? I guess I'll repeat again: ED ain't telling until after Christmas, as stated by Wags.

[joey45]

New Years treat then.

[Eddie]

i guess i am asking, is such a scenario possible as a mission?

 

dropping JDAMs.

 

escorted by Ai Jets

 

CAS with Ai ground troop interaction..

 

unususal stuff not related to the typical bomb drop and missile lock and 30mm release..

 

i mean Tfc/ED/dcs makes the daymn sim for the USAF.. i wonder what scenarios to they train on....

 

Based on the mission editor we have now in BS I'd say yes it's 'possible', although as GG said above, JDAMs are more for pre-planned static targets, although they 'can' be programmed/re-programmed in flight by the pilot so it would be possible to employ them on targets of opportunity (at least IRL, and based on what we've seen already, I can't see ED leaving this feature of the weapon out of the sim).

[hannibal]

my mind is blown out for what this sim will offer..

 

kind of like, back in the nintendo days... metal gear per se..

when you actually acquired a weapon...now your able to kill someone in the game.

then that remote controlled rocket, allowing you to blow up things afar.

 

obviously metal gear nintendo was 2D...

 

but with DCS warthog, u get to use the A-10, with its weapons avionics, etc..

possiblities can be endless, but what can you actually do in the simulation, i am curious..

aside from CCIP bomb drop and A10-A LO:FC capabilites

 

i know, i know

2010...

[Ivonq]

There is some nice video overview of A-10C and its new capabilities on youtube:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3c1VbKoCkDk

 

It is from the Discovery channel's Future Weapons series......They even show a A-10C simulator in action.....ED material??? ;)

[GGTharos]

It turns out that I was wrong and most JDAM drops are done ad-hoc at this point.

[sinelnic]

.....ED material??? ;)

 

That's not ED's... but I'm very interested to know about that projection system!! could that be used with DCS??

[Nate--IRL--]

There is some nice video overview of A-10C and its new capabilities on youtube:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3c1VbKoCkDk

 

It is from the Discovery channel's Future Weapons series......They even show a A-10C simulator in action.....ED material??? ;)

 

Thanks for that, interesting video. Sim doesn't look like ED's but it was a cool setup though.

 

Nate

[Ivonq]

That's not ED's... but I'm very interested to know about that projection system!! could that be used with DCS??

 

I would think so.....

[zakobi]

AFAIK high graphic options is not on a militarys wishlist for simulators...

[Speed_2]

You're assuming that we actually do get JDAMs, which is not guarenteed. Considering that some basic stuff is left out of DCS Black Shark (like collisionable trees, decent radio comms with ATC and back-and-forth with ground troops/FAC), it is not out of the question that ED may leave JDAMs out of DCS A-10C. Just don't take anything for granted until we know the details.

 

I had been told in the past by someone that JDAMs and their employment procedures are too classified to model accurately, and so was the reasoning of leaving them out of Falcon 4 AF. Personally, I think that's a load of crap, you can at least GUESS how they would work.

 

As far as JDAMs not being good for targets of opportunity, I am sure you guys are wrong about that. The INS of an aircraft knows at all times where it is at; it knows the exact Lat/Long of a point on the ground that the A-G radar is looking at, thus, you can find a target on the A-G radar (if the aircraft has one) or even a ground stabilized point on the HUD and just release a JDAM on it. You could also just receive datalinked coordinates, or have a FAC give you coordinates over the radio and program it in. All these capabilities give the JDAM an all-weather TOO capability.

 

The traditional JDAM's one limitation is that it cannot engage moving targets. This limitation is being corrected with newer versions of JDAMs that have both GPS guidance (for fixed targets) and laser guidance (for moving targets).

[GGTharos]

I had been told in the past by someone that JDAMs and their employment procedures are too classified to model accurately, and so was the reasoning of leaving them out of Falcon 4 AF. Personally, I think that's a load of crap, you can at least GUESS how they would work.

 

Go on, guess ;)

 

As far as JDAMs not being good for targets of opportunity, I am sure you guys are wrong about that. The INS of an aircraft knows at all times where it is at; it knows the exact Lat/Long of a point on the ground that the A-G radar is looking at, thus, you can find a target on the A-G radar (if the aircraft has one) or even a ground stabilized point on the HUD and just release a JDAM on it. You could also just receive datalinked coordinates, or have a FAC give you coordinates over the radio and program it in. All these capabilities give the JDAM an all-weather TOO capability.

Yes, this capability exists.

 

 

The traditional JDAM's one limitation is that it cannot engage moving targets. This limitation is being corrected with newer versions of JDAMs that have both GPS guidance (for fixed targets) and laser guidance (for moving targets).

A laser seeker in addition to the JDAM package? I suppose its possible ... what I've heard so far is SDBs with IR/TV seekers capable of recognizing their target, but then SDBs are meant to be launched pretty far ...

[Speed_2]

A laser seeker in addition to the JDAM package? I suppose its possible ... what I've heard so far is SDBs with IR/TV seekers capable of recognizing their target, but then SDBs are meant to be launched pretty far ...

 

I didn't say it was possible, I said they actually did it. Look here:

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2008/q2/080416c_nr.html

 

Now, the A-10C will be a bit more limited in its JDAM deployment, as, we all know, the only radar it has is the radar altimeter. Still, it's got an INS that would receive updates from GPS satelites (or manually based off landmarks) to keep its accuracy very high. In conjunction with a laser rangefinder, the A-10 has all the information it needs to feed exact lat/long/elevation coordinates to a JDAM in a TOO mode.

Edited August 27, 2009 by Speed_2

[GGTharos]

Looks like they addressed their one problem then ;)

[Eddie]

Looks like they addressed their one problem then ;)

 

Paveway IV also combines Laser and GPS guidance, although to my knowledge the US isn't using it. We have been using PWIV in Afghanistan for quite some time.

 

I'll honestly be suprised if ED do leave out JDAMs, they are one of the main features of the C upgrade. And they did list them as weapons in the sim on the first info released on the Russian site. But hey, we'll find out some time next year.

[Speed_2]

what I've heard so far is SDBs with IR/TV seekers capable of recognizing their target, but then SDBs are meant to be launched pretty far ...

 

Well, it gets better than that, automatic target recognition (ATR) routines are getting fast and small enough to be put on missiles, so, you could tell a missile to go to a cerrtain spot on the battlefield and autonomously find and engage, say, T-72s only. Or have a missile that self-destructs or turns away if it suddenly recongizes that its target is an M2 Bradley. VERY smart bombs :)

 

We're also talking about AAMs that are almost completely immune to chaff/flares :( Takes some of the fun out of ATA combat lol. However, from what I understand, even current generations of AAMs are pretty good at not being spoofed by countermeasures.

Edited August 27, 2009 by Speed_2

[GGTharos]

No, current generations of AAMs are not good at it - new gen AAMs, Sidewinder, Python 5 etc - those are basically immune to flares so long as you shoot them from a range where the aircraft can be distinguished from a flare.

 

This has more to do with target size than any other kind of recognition though ... you target the big blob and let the little ones go ;)

 

There will be other countermeasures to handle this sort of missile eventually.

[Speed_2]

Paveway IV also combines Laser and GPS guidance, although to my knowledge the US isn't using it. We have been using PWIV in Afghanistan for quite some time.

Again, http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2008/q2/080416c_nr.html

 

Also:

http://www.defense-update.com/newscast/0808/270808laserguidedjdamdebutsiniraq.html

 

I don't know if the A-10C carries the laser JDAM or not yet.

 

I'll honestly be suprised if ED do leave out JDAMs, they are one of the main features of the C upgrade. And they did list them as weapons in the sim on the first info released on the Russian site. But hey, we'll find out some time next year.

I would be surprised too. I had no idea they had released more info on DCS A-10C than just the screenshots!

[topol-m]

I had no idea they had released more info on DCS A-10C than just the screenshots!

 

Where is that info?

[Eddie]

Again, http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2008/q2/080416c_nr.html

 

Also:

http://www.defense-update.com/newscast/0808/270808laserguidedjdamdebutsiniraq.html

 

I don't know if the A-10C carries the laser JDAM or not yet.

 

Paveway IV and LJDAM are different things mate. PW IV has been around for a good few years now on the RAF Harrier fleet and is also now in service on Tornado GR4 and Typhoon. Although both weapons do exactly the same thing. We've also had EPW 2 & 3 for quite some time, although again I don't believe the USAF use it.

 

I would be surprised too. I had no idea they had released more info on DCS A-10C than just the screenshots!

 

In case you haven't found it already.

[topol-m]

In case you haven't found it already.

 

Oh that info... I thought there was something new released. :(

[sinelnic]

Well, it gets better than that, automatic target recognition (ATR) routines are getting fast and small enough to be put on missiles, so, you could tell a missile to go to a cerrtain spot on the battlefield and autonomously find and engage, say, T-72s only. Or have a missile that self-destructs or turns away if it suddenly recongizes that its target is an M2 Bradley. VERY smart bombs :)

 

Is that something that exists today? Is there any documentation on the subject?