bramimond Posted November 15 Posted November 15 (edited) Hi, just wanted to bump this thread,https://forum.dcs.world/topic/374113-magic-1-performance/page/2/#findComment-5692119 and give @IvanK and @BIGNEWY @fausete a shout as you guys were discussing this earlier in the year. I wondering if this behavior has ever been addressed. Currently, the seeker loses track after pulling barely any Gs, and with very little change in aspect. I'm wondering if it's gimbal limits once it leaves the rail are not right, or it's not actually tracking IR sources correctly. Aim 9Bs hit the same shot. Track file attached, and tacview for general viewing, thank you! Magic 1 track data.trk Tacview-20251114-202133-DCS.zip.acmi Edited November 18 by bramimond Greek, Accountant, Pop up/Iron bombing Enthusiast, Mirage and Viper Enthusiast
Maverick Su-35S Posted Sunday at 09:52 PM Posted Sunday at 09:52 PM It's not about Gs, it reached 5Gs, but it lost track. It depends on how this old M550 type IR missile is simulated. Do you have any idea what was the PK for the IR Stinger in Afghanistan? Have you? Well... hehe...0.1! 10 missiles fired for only one keeping the target tracked until self-detonation or impact. Yes, and the Stinger wasn't a bad IR missile btw. When you can't prove something with words, let the math do the talking. I have an insatiable passion for helping simulated aircraft fly realistically. Don't underestimate my knowledge before understanding what I talk about! Sincerely, your flight model reviewer/advisor.
Muchocracker Posted Sunday at 10:09 PM Posted Sunday at 10:09 PM Totally irrelevant to this purpose of this thread 2
bramimond Posted Sunday at 11:33 PM Author Posted Sunday at 11:33 PM 1 hour ago, Muchocracker said: Totally irrelevant to this purpose of this thread Couldn't have put it better myself, thank you haha. 1 hour ago, Maverick Su-35S said: It's not about Gs, it reached 5Gs, but it lost track. It depends on how this old M550 type IR missile is simulated. Do you have any idea what was the PK for the IR Stinger in Afghanistan? Have you? Well... hehe...0.1! 10 missiles fired for only one keeping the target tracked until self-detonation or impact. Yes, and the Stinger wasn't a bad IR missile btw. The purpose of this post is to see if people can corroborate the Magic 1's seekerhead behavior and see if this was the intentional performance from ED, or if it was a mistake. If it was a mistake, I'd like to bring attention to it so it can get fixed! It currently seems like the tracking aspect is not really matching some of the documentation about the performance of the Magic 1 seeker. 1 Greek, Accountant, Pop up/Iron bombing Enthusiast, Mirage and Viper Enthusiast
Maverick Su-35S Posted yesterday at 12:03 AM Posted yesterday at 12:03 AM So the purpose of this thread was to do what the purpose of this thread was answered regarding and belonging to the purpose of this thread. What did I say in there? I said about the limitations of this R550, that it was probably correctly simulated as it is already, by having a chance that the IR seeker looses track. On what language do you prefer a better answer? And as an example, to your knowledge, for the purpose of this thread, losing lock even in good conditions for an IR seeker is something documented and proven in real combat, such as the Soviet-Afghan war. I think that the purpose is happy now! 1 hour ago, Muchocracker said: Totally irrelevant to this purpose of this thread If you cannot understand what an example is, then..., I prefer to not answer! When you can't prove something with words, let the math do the talking. I have an insatiable passion for helping simulated aircraft fly realistically. Don't underestimate my knowledge before understanding what I talk about! Sincerely, your flight model reviewer/advisor.
Muchocracker Posted yesterday at 12:14 AM Posted yesterday at 12:14 AM The magic 1 is not the stinger. This is not productive contribution to the bug report. 1
Maverick Su-35S Posted yesterday at 12:21 AM Posted yesterday at 12:21 AM (edited) 13 minutes ago, Muchocracker said: The magic 1 is not the stinger. This is not productive contribution to the bug report. Incredible...! Man, I cannot believe you answered like this! Please, re-read! It is actually a very productive contribution as long as it serves as an example. The examples are always a good reference to start with even if in the end, differences can be shown for various aspects. Saying that you cannot use a known reference (in this subject, another IR missile) to start from when in fact many things are in common, it's like trying to play blind with a ball! After all, from "dud" missiles, to seeker head heating up due to various reasons such as launching altitude, reached speeds (yeah, "I think I heard" that above Mach 2, the heating is a serious thing, especially on blunt nose shapes), to target IR signature variation and other known/unknown reasons why it can lose track. So how come, you cannot use another example? What's your logic in denying the use of examples? Edited yesterday at 12:37 AM by Maverick Su-35S Added more context When you can't prove something with words, let the math do the talking. I have an insatiable passion for helping simulated aircraft fly realistically. Don't underestimate my knowledge before understanding what I talk about! Sincerely, your flight model reviewer/advisor.
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