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After some time in Ka-50 pilot's seat, I've come to a conclusion, that trimming representation is somehow counter-intuitive for me. It's because of the necessity to quickly move the stick to center, or the trim setting will add to joy input and helo will go crazy. So I fly either without trimming (bad idea in long term and unrealistic way to do things) or I make frantic moves with the stick in order to avoid dangerous maneuvers (which is also rather different from real helo controlling techniques, where yanking on the stick is a no go). I fly on spring centered, non-FF stick (previously it was non-spring, non-FF and that removed the necessity of trimming at all ;)). I'm also aware how the trimming is performed in real helicopters.

 

So I've come up with the following method to reproduce trimming in Ka-50 in a different way:

 

1) Begin with a helicopter with either no trim, or some trim, let's call it Trim A. Joystick is centered and helicopter is flown manually with flight control and stability system ON.

 

2) Then you want to accelerate, for the simplicity of the example. So you push the stick forward from the center and have to hold it there to maintain new, higher airspeed. Helicopter is still flown manually.

 

3) While holding the stick in "forward position" you press and hold trim button. The flight control system is locked at the current attitude and maintain helicopter there to the best of its ability, while joystick position is totally ignored, as long as you hold the trim button. Helicopter is now trimmed in new trim position, Trim B.

 

4) You center the stick. You can do it slow or fast or whatever, because helicopter is fully controlled by FCS/autopilot. It will maintain current attitude, regardless of stick position as long, as the trim button is pressed and hold. Virtual stick is hold by trimmer in front position, when it was at the moment, when the trimmer was pressed.

 

5) When stick is centered, and you're happy with that, you release the trim button. Trim B holds the virtual stick in forward position and maintains the new attitude. The joystick already is centered, when you release the trim button, so there is no danger of adding joystick input to the new trim setting, neither you have to be as quick as wild west gunfighter when centering the stick after trimming.

 

6) Now we have the helicopter flown manually, with the help of Trim B and the FCS. From this moment you fly as you would do it in the current version of Ka-50 and we are back to step 1), the only difference being that now the Trim B is in use, instead of Trim A/no trim.

 

So that's my idea. I know, that I can change the amount of time, that I have for the stick centering procedure after trimming, but I've left it at default because it would cause troubles with replays. Also I would prefer in the heat of the battle something more flexible in place of a fixed time limit.

 

You may ask: "OK hotshot, but what about manually flying the helo with trim button pressed, as it is now?" For me it's simple: there should be separate simulation command for trimming, as I've presented it above, and separate command for flying "with trim pressed". You could then assign it as command and shift+command, for example T for Trim as above, Shift+T for "fly with trim pressed" and Ctrl+T fot "trim reset/center" feature. So one joystick button/hat could reproduce it all. It's really not that many commands, compared to some fixed wing aircraft, when you need 9 commands for trimming.

 

Aside from the trimming method, I'm just amazed how great this sim is. I'm sure I'll get the following DCS addons without any questions, no matter what aircraft or else :)

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Originally Posted by Death-17

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it's a great suggestion..

So great infact, that it has allready been implemented in th game! :)

 

Make sure you patch your game to latest version (1.0.1c) , and you will see there is a new trimming method that is similarto what you have suggested..

The only diference beeing that, instead of having to hold the trim button, the program ignores all joystick input after the trimmer is released UNTIL the joystick is returned to 0,0 ... you can return it quickly or slowly, and not have any problem, and as soon as it hits 0.0 , control authority is returned to the pilot.

 

Patch and give it a go...you can toggle between the old and new trimming methods in options if patched.

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Whoa, I've been so busy with reading, learning and flying the Ka-50, that I've completely missed the new patch! :D Indeed, the new trim method is great. Much more intuitive and fluid. I wish it would always be like I think of new feature only to find it already implemented ;)

 

One note though: after trimming, you have to center both the stick AND the rudder to be back in control. If you forget about rudder, you'll end up wondering, why all of sudden all joystick input has ceased, even after returning stick to center position.

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Originally Posted by Death-17

Any yahoo can fly fixed, it takes skill to fly rotor.

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As you can read in the readme-file that comes with the patch, you can adjust the values at which the control-inputs are regarded as "centered" If you wish, you can increase the settings for rudders from +/- 10% center to +/-90% or even 100% and you don't run in danger to forget to center rudder ever ;)

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yeah, new trim is great, but it is also the cause of 99% of my VRS / Crashes from deadstick too close to the ground with unintended / subconscious rudder input...

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