send wingman to coordinates, How? +coordinates format?

[majapahit]

send wingman to coordinates, How?

 

I'm testing what Ive read in some post but Im doing something wrong

 

On ABRIS I use ERBL MARK to find the coordinates of a certain point on the map

for instance 41'52'3 041'51'9

 

I put PVI in 'edit' and enter TP#1 with above coordinates (and check, will come up)

put PVI back in 'oper' mode

Light PVI NAVTGT button and put it on #1, with the just entered coordinates

 

then according to a post:

"If the PVI-800 has the NAVTGT (OT - TP target points - 10x) task light illuminated and a task point selected, 0-9, then the PVI-800 is the priority input for the datalink. Generally the NAVTGT point will be flashing on the ABRIS but not always."

 

well, the NAVTGT point isnt flashing (because it's a PVI point?)

 

then I push for instance, #2 wingman on the PRTz, and then 'mem/send'

 

then ask #2 to go to datalink point

 

and off he goes .. to the wrong point,

like (in this case) 5 miles southeast of the entered coordinates, ~41'48'01 041'53'03

 

what am I missing?

 

also, this another post states that:

"Adjust your ABRIS to read in the same coordinate format as the PVI too (X.XX' and not X' Y")"

and problably means <min.decimalminiutes> not <min'seconds'>

 

but ABRIS and PVI in my DCS 1.01, allready seem both in <degrees'min'sec> or am I wrong in this?

 

thx, mt

[kievbsm]

Coordinats on the ABRIS map and coordinats in PVI-800 are no the same.

In ABRIS you can see degrees, minutes and seconds.

In PVI-800 you can see degrees, minutes and after dot one tens of degrees and minutes.

 

The same problems in mission editor. You can find coordinats on the map (F10) which is not the same for real positioning of target.

For example:

in ABRIS you have 44 42' 00'' = 44 + 42/60 + 0/3600 = 44.7 in PVI-800

or

in ABRIS you have 40 04' 14'' = 40 + 4/60 + 14/3600 = 40.07055555 in PVI-800

 

Sorry for my english.

Try to prepare some tests in editor and you will see what the differences between coordinats for one target point.

You can find some information here: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=42860

Edited January 31, 2010 by kievbsm

[majapahit]

in ABRIS you have 40 04' 14'' = 40 + 4/60 + 14/3600 = 40.07055555 in PVI-800

just tested

.. goes over the mountain range still

??

do you implement this yourself?

anyone who has actually a working method?

[Frederf]

It looks like you have 2 completely separate questions so I'll try to answer them separately. It would be confusing to pretend they are more related than they are.

 

send wingman to coordinates, How?

 

ABRIS to find the coordinates (ex 41'52'3 041'51'9)

 

Good first step. However, 41'52'3 shows some confusion about the different ways that coordinates are written and what they mean. It will be helpful for you to be certain and confident about this.

 

This link might help you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minute_of_arc (just Symbols, abbreviations and subdivisions)

 

PVI in 'edit', enter TP#1 and check, PVI back in 'oper' mode

Light PVI NAVTGT button and put it on #1, with the just entered coordinates

Good, yes.

 

NAVTGT point will be flashing on the ABRIS

Yes, should be.

 

then I push for instance, #2 wingman on the PRTz, and then 'mem/send' then ask #2 to go to datalink point and off he goes .. to the wrong point.

Ok so it looks like you did the process to send the point correctly, just that you got the numbers wrong.

 

"Adjust your ABRIS to read in the same coordinate format as the PVI too (X.XX' and not X' Y")" and problably means <min.decimalminiutes> not <min'seconds'>

You can do this if you want. It makes it easier to change ABRIS format to match PVI format but you do not have to if you are OK with converting D°M'S'' to D°M.M'.

 

ABRIS and PVI in my DCS 1.01, allready seem both in <degrees'min'sec> or am I wrong in this?

ABRIS can be in either format from preferences but PVI-800 is very rigid always in form _ _ ° _ _ . _ ' (<degrees°min.min>).

 

 

Practice Problems

Convert the standard ABRIS format into PVI-800 format and then into PVI-800 button presses.

 

E)[i] ABRIS[/i]   [b]56°34'55''N , 23°07'14''E[/b]
[i] PVI-800  [/i] [u]+56°34.9' , +023°07.2'_
[/u][i] Buttons[/i]   [u]0-5-6-3-4-9-0-0-2-3-0-7-2-ENTER_[/u]

1)[i] ABRIS[/i]   [b]10°20'00''N , 15°30'00''E[/b]
[i]PVI-800[/i]   _____________________ 
[i]Buttons[/i]   _______________________________

2) [i]ABRIS[/i]   [b]11°16'30''N , 21°01'30''E[/b]
[i]PVI-800[/i]   _____________________ 
[i]Buttons[/i]   _______________________________

3)[i] ABRIS[/i]   [b]45°42'12''N , 2°56'24''E[/b]
[i]PVI-800[/i]   _____________________ 
[i]Buttons[/i]   _______________________________

4) [i]ABRIS[/i]   [b]33°59'59''N , 101°48'34''E[/b]
[i]PVI-800[/i]   _____________________ 
[i]Buttons[/i]   _______________________________

5)*[i] ABRIS[/i]   [b]26°58'57''S , 4°07'21''W[/b]
[i]PVI-800[/i]   _____________________ 
[i]Buttons[/i]   _______________________________

*Extra difficult

Edited February 1, 2010 by Frederf

[StrongHarm]

So if you have the coords 44'45"46 in the ABRIS, you would type 044458 into the PVI

 

Why did the 46 minutes in the coords turn to an 8? Let's look at the numbers (0)-(44)-(45)-( 8 )

0

= Prefix to indentify the coord as positive

(not a number translated form the ABRIS coords)

44

= Longitude

45

= Latitude

8

= Which is

46

minutes, divided by 60

(which is 0.76)

, rounded to the nearest tenth

( 76 rounds up to

8

)

 

Rather than using the ERBL, I like to insert a new waypoint or map point into the ABRIS as a reference. At first this took much longer than doing a quick ERBL or INFO, but now I'm so used to it that it takes no time. Plus you get perm intel on the map point like coords, time and bearing to target, elevation, range, etc. Take note that if you create a map point in the ABRIS, then translate it to a PVI NAV/TGT, when you select that NAV/TGT and uncage your shkval (turn on TV) your tracking cursor on your targeting system automatically moves to that NAV/TGT.

 

A practical use of this would be something I experienced yesterday. There was a SAM site equipped with a radar truck, so he was able to track, target, and eliminate me very quickly. I was able to identify the origin of the missile trail coming from a bend in the road before I ejected. Once I got in a new bird I pulled up my ABRIS and found that bend in the road on the map. I plotted course waypoints (manual p231) into the ABRIS that would take me 5km from the SAM site, but behind a mountain. I marked the SAM site on the ABRIS as an INFO type map point named 'SAM' (man p253). I saved the ABRIS info and made it active. I then pulled up the info point named 'SAM' and translated the coords into the PVI (man p319). I followed my ABRIS waypoints to the ingress area behind the mountain, initiated a hover, activated NAV/TGT 2, uncaged my Shkval, and as soon as I crested the mountain I was viewing the SAM site zoomed in on my targeting system. I was able to get a lock and release within seconds.

[zdXu]

Practice Problems

Convert the standard ABRIS format into PVI-800 format and then into PVI-800 button presses.

 

E)[i] ABRIS[/i]   [b]56°34'55''N , 23°07'14''E[/b]
[i] PVI-800  [/i] [u]+56°34.9' , +023°07.2'_
[/u][i] Buttons[/i]   [u]0-5-6-3-4-9-0-0-2-3-0-7-2-ENTER_[/u]

1)[i] ABRIS[/i]   [b]10°20'00''N , 15°30'00''E[/b]
[i]PVI-800[/i]   _____________________ 
[i]Buttons[/i]   _______________________________

2) [i]ABRIS[/i]   [b]11°16'30''N , 21°01'30''E[/b]
[i]PVI-800[/i]   _____________________ 
[i]Buttons[/i]   _______________________________

3)[i] ABRIS[/i]   [b]45°42'12''N , 2°56'24''E[/b]
[i]PVI-800[/i]   _____________________ 
[i]Buttons[/i]   _______________________________

4) [i]ABRIS[/i]   [b]33°59'59''N , 101°48'34''E[/b]
[i]PVI-800[/i]   _____________________ 
[i]Buttons[/i]   _______________________________

5)*[i] ABRIS[/i]   [b]26°58'57''S , 4°07'21''W[/b]
[i]PVI-800[/i]   _____________________ 
[i]Buttons[/i]   _______________________________

*Extra difficult

 

1)

10200N, 15300E

0102000015300 Enter

 

2)

11165N, 21015E

0111650021015 Enter

 

3)

45422N, 02564E

0454220002564 Enter

 

4)

34000N, 101486E

0340000101486 Enter

 

 

edit: the DCS-BS-area (black-sea-area) is in the 38,xx -> 45,xx (N) and 39,xx -> 45,xx (E) range

Edited February 1, 2010 by zdXu

[Martillo1]

This is recurrent, but you can configure the ABRIS to show the coordinates in the same format than the PVI-800.

[Frederf]

Yeah, ABRIS permanent option change explained in this post: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=37116

 

zdXu, very good. You didn't do #5 :p

[zdXu]

 

You didn't do #5 :p

 

Because it's too deep for me (;

 

 

edit:

ok here we go...

 

5)

26590S 04073W

1265901004073 Enter

Edited February 2, 2010 by zdXu

[Frederf]

Wooooo, champagne all around!