HiJack Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 One important thing to tune for every aircraft you will fly is TRIM! When you have a perfectly trimmed aircraft it flies faster, it’s easier to maneuver, and the flight experience is much greater. It even helps in hitting those fast moving targets. Saitek X-52 Pro flight stick has 2 rotating wheels that are great to trim your airplane with but default they are not very well tuned. This guide helps you tune your flight stick to achieve maximum TRIM and that wonderful feeling of balanced flight. Open the “Option” menu and select “CONTROLS” to display the controls panel. Selected the aircraft you will change (settings are different for all aircrafts which is good for tuning) and select the “Axis Commands” in the “Category” list. All the current Saitek bindings should appear. Controls dialog: First you need to bind the 2 wheels to Roll and Pitch. I bind the big topwheel (Y-Rotation) to Pitch because that is the one I used the most and I think it’s practical, you can choose otherwise if you like. Press the “ADD” button when you have selected the field for “Trim Pitch” in the “Saitek” column to display the assignment panel. You then need to move the wheel fully to both sides and the “Key / Button” filed should update itself with “JOY_RY” if you selected the topwheel. Press OK to accept the assigned key. Assignment panel: Repeat this procedure for the “Trim Roll” assignment for the other wheel. Change “Curvature” to 30 for both assignments. You do that by pressing the “AXIS TUNE” when the bind field is active and the “AXIS TUNE PANEL” should display. Move the “Curvature” slider to 30, you can test the curve right away. Press “OK” to save settings. I also recommend saving your profile to a file by pressing the “SAVE PROFILE AS” in the controls panel, and then it’s easy to get back to your settings if they are lost by reinstall. To finish off your TRIM assignment take your aircraft for a testrun and see if you like these settings. Axis tune panel: Experiment with these settings for every aircraft until you have a setting that suits you. I hope you find that a balanced aircraft is much easier to fly and that this guide was somewhat helpful. Happy flying :pilotfly: ® Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galagamo Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 Very informative, Thanks. I have the plain X-52, and the rotatory dials have a horrible twitch, I gave up on them and don't bother mapping them to do anything. For trim I have mapped Hat1+pinky using the SST software, still not a very good solution as it takes a second or2 to achieve "perfect trim" whereas the rotatorys would be almost instant. I'll give this a try. Thanks again. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] OS:WIN7 HP X64|MOBO:ASRock Z68|CPU:I52500k@4Ghz|RAM:12Gb 3x4Gb GSkill Ripjaws 9-9-9-24 @1600Mhz|GPU:ASUS GTX580|HDD:2x128Gb Crucial sataIII SSD raid0|PSU:Antek 1000watt|Case:Antek 1200|Peripherals: TMWH|Saitek ProFlight rudder pedals|TrackIr4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugenjin Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 No need to trim F-15 though :P I use a coolie for trim and rather have the rotaries for radar horizontal/vertical/targetbox/mfd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FBW Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 I use my rotaries for Radar antenna... make things a lot easier when scanning the sky. My big rotary is for Radar Elevation, Small one for Range, and Slider for Width (narrow and wide) the F-15C's FBW (not my user name, but the real fly by wire) system trim the AC fairly well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krippz Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 I use my rotaries for Radar antenna... make things a lot easier when scanning the sky. My big rotary is for Radar Elevation, Small one for Range, and Slider for Width (narrow and wide) the F-15C's FBW (not my user name, but the real fly by wire) system trim the AC fairly well. Indeed the F-15 does have a "Control Augmentation System" . [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 64th "Scorpions" Aggressor Squadron Discord: 64th Aggressor Squadron TS: 195.201.110.22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topdog Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 (edited) I prefer to use a hat for trim (though craft with rudder trim I need to set something else too), rotaries I'm still wary of, they're a bit twitchy and if there's one thing I couldn't stand it would be twitchy trim. I wish there was something that could be done to clean up those signals better. Edited April 3, 2010 by topdog [ i7 2600k 4.6GHz :: 16GB Mushkin Blackline LV :: EVGA GTX 1080ti 11GB ] [ TM Warthog / Saitek Rudder :: Oculus Rift :: Obutto cockpit :: Acer HN274H 27" 120Hz :: 3D Vision Ready ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walker450 Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 Thanks for sharing Rusty! I'll try this as soon as I have the time to fly FC2 again. Speedpad for Inputs | My Simpit | Joystick Damper Mod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
element1108 Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 Thanks Rusty! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunSlingerAUS Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 Awesome guide, thanks Rusty! Intel 11900K/NVIDIA RTX 3090/32GB DDR4 3666/Z590 Asus Maximus motherboard/2TB Samsung EVO Pro/55" LG C9 120Hz @ 4K/Windows 10/Jotunheim Schiit external headphone amp/Virpil HOTAS + MFG Crosswind pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outlaw24 Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 I've been using the rotaries on my X-52 Pro for trimming for sometime now and fine it easier and more precise than the hat switch method, now I only have to find a remedy for the SU-25T Spoiler: MSI Z790 Carbon WIFI, i9 14900KF, 64GB DDR4, MSI RTX 4090, Thrustmaster Warthog Throttle, VKB Gunfighter Ultimate MCG Pro w/200mm Extension, Winwing Orion Rudder Pedals W/damper, UTC MK II Pro, Virpil TCS Plus Collective, Dell AW3418DW Gsync monitor, 970 Pro M2 1TB (for DCS), Playseat Air Force Seat, KW-980 Jetseat, Vaicom Pro, 3X TM Cougar with Lilliput 8" screens. Tek Creations panels and controllers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goon3r Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 Thanks for this! The curvature setting made a big difference for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiJack Posted April 3, 2010 Author Share Posted April 3, 2010 I've been using the rotaries on my X-52 Pro for trimming for sometime now and fine it easier and more precise than the hat switch method, now I only have to find a remedy for the SU-25T Su-25T has no option to bind rotator to TRIM so there a POV is the best choice. My guide fits best for the A-10A ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD_LincsUK Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 I use my X52 rotaries for trim in all Sims possible - but recently the performance dropped off and caused me some very scary moments. The 'juddering' movement was noticable in the Windows game controller panel. I opened up the throttle part (just the top, not the base) and squirted some lubricant into them. They are modern, fully-enclosed type of potentiometer - but there are a couple of small gaps where the lube will get in. Since then it has been back to stable performance. JD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infected Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 Why is there no analog trim for Su25 and Su25T ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
159th_Viper Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 Why is there no analog trim for Su25 and Su25T ? Not present in RL and as such not modelled in the SIM. Sukhoi will probably provide the most comprehensive answer in that respect :) ....now I only have to find a remedy for the SU-25T As an alternative, use the AP Emergency-Levelling Mode to trim for the specific parameters of your Jet at time of trim, ie Asymmetrical Payload etc etc. Works well if you're in a hurry. Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infected Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 Well i hope someone will explain it =P There must have been trim of some kind ? Or was there..? Fun plane to fly, but not navigating with digital trim/no trim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thx1137 Posted April 14, 2010 Share Posted April 14, 2010 Using the axis is great with a FF stick the way it takes the pressure off like in a real aircraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolverine Posted April 14, 2010 Share Posted April 14, 2010 Why is there no analog trim for Su25 and Su25T ? The RL Su-25K, Su-25T and Su-25TM have their trim through the "hat switch" on the flight stick therefore the trim in Lock-On has been set to mirror this. Either through the "Hat switch" on your joystick or via the keys if you don't have one. Also the RL aircraft do not have a trim reset button, it has to be done manually. http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=7639 Q: Why "set trimmers to neutral possition" key is not working for Su-25\Su-25T? A: Because of high level of simulation of AFM, these function was excluded from Su-25\Su-25T aircraft, since they doesn't have this function in real life. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Q: Why trim-axis doesn't work for Su-25\Su-25T? A: The same reason as above, these aircrafts has button-style trimmers only, in real life. BTW, one thing that budding Su-25T pilots either forget or don't know yet is this; On a side note, an interesting point about the AFM, which isn't fully covered in the manual. The AFM models gyro-error, which can result in erroneous navigation, as well as flight data instrumentation during the flight. As you probably understand, the longer the flight, the larger the percent error. If starting on the tarmac, you should be sure to give the gyros at least three minutes to spin up before taxing out for the flight to ensure maximum accuracy. Asus ROG Strix B-560-F, Intel i9-11900k, EVGA GTX 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra, Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 PC4-24000, 1TB WD Blue SN550 NVME SSD, Asus PB287Q 28" 3840x2160 TN 4K, Thrustmaster Warthog + F/A-18 HOTAS, Thrustmaster MFD Cougar, Thrustmaster TFRP rudder, Razer orbweaver chroma. The artist formerly known as VVS 504 Wolverine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infected Posted April 14, 2010 Share Posted April 14, 2010 Thanks... atleast now i understand how it works in RL. I'll try assigning it to the hat switch. Its damn hard to get it to stay "center" and on course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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