Yayyy...CH Incoming

[darrenl]

I just pulled the trigger on the CH Fighter Stick, pedals and throttle.

 

Been going back and forth on what HOTAS to get (X52 vs G940 vs CH.../dizzy) and decided to get this set.

 

...thought I share with my fellow flight-sim crowd :joystick:

[Pilotasso]

If you are happy with the handling (my only gripe with it) then its excellent HOTAS. Its programming potential is tremendous, though the learning curve is steep.

[Revvin]

Congrats, new gear is always fun. If you need any profiles or help then drop by the CH Hangar

[martinistripes]

I just pulled the trigger on the CH Fighter Stick, pedals and throttle.

 

My order for the same was dispatched yesterday, minus the thottle. :)

[LukeFF]

Very good choice! I've been using CH controllers for years now and like them a lot.

[Sinner6]

Best stuff out there IMO.

[darrenl]

Well..it finally arrived and, wow.

 

First, the controllers are just bigger than I thought.

 

Second, I've suddenly forgotten how to fly the black shark ;). Finding I need to retrain myself with all of the new fanciness that is my CH setup.

[Emmer]

re

 

Am flying with this one:

 

 

The good old Suncom SFS Combo HOTAS.

Dual throttle works perfect.

Gameport connected.Gameportconnection sits at the soundcard.

And in combination with my CH-Pro rudders its flyin great.

 

Thought i share this.......:D

 

Greetz!

Emmer.

[darrenl]

Very cool Emmer...I wish I was that crafty :)

 

I do have a question about the CH profiles. If I can setup the profile within Black Shark itself (...which I've done for basic flight movements and trim so far...), then why do I need the CH Manager?

[Emmer]

re

 

Don't know.

The Suncom has programmable keys, through a keyboard.

Once they are programmed , they stay in.

 

Maybe you should try programming your HOTAS without the CH-Manager.

See what happens.

 

Good luck.........:thumbup:

[darrenl]

Oh...I can program it...no worries. Within the options of Black Shark itself....I have all the axis set up and am able to fly the aircraft without any issue. I'm just wondering what the point of CH Manager is when I can fully configure everything inside the sim anyway :joystick:

[Emmer]

re

 

It's just a piece of software which comes with the product , i guess.

Same as you buy a motherboard with a drivers cd.

 

You either use it, or not.

Anyways, for me it's just trying stuff.Which is handier or not.

 

Hope it will help you out........:smilewink:

 

Good luck!

[CyBerkut]

Very cool Emmer...I wish I was that crafty :)

 

I do have a question about the CH profiles. If I can setup the profile within Black Shark itself (...which I've done for basic flight movements and trim so far...), then why do I need the CH Manager?

 

"Need" as in *required*? You don't. However, I'm sure the CH manager software will provide access to advanced programming functions that are not available within BlackShark's built-in controls menus. At some point, you may wish to avail yourself of those added capabilities.

[531-Ghost]

Why do you need Control Manager? Well if for no other reason, to calibrate your devices. You can't do that in either Windoz OR the game. And, if you wanted a realistic (as close as I could get) profile for DCS BS then look no further

[G3]

the old suncom gear was good, i like the no mid clunk as you go thru the centre of the axis', this was a good design, let down by cheap feeling buttons and not the most accurate of mechanical linkage to the pots.

it does have a keyboard emulator built in where you could simply press a button on the stick, then press the keys you wanted it to operate

which is a pretty sweet idea even today.

i converted an sfs split throttle to use usb for the pots and left the k/b emulator intact and that worked quite nicely, just hacked off the gameport

cable and used a cheap usb attack 3 joystick pcb.

 

as for the ch software i would have said, not exactly essential but it has great features for programming macros and added functionality.

now after reading ghost-531 comments i may retract this line of thinking,

the hardware itself is in my mind second to none, maybe i am biased :)

and i will be trying out that shark profile in the above post.

 

a few of the guys here have profiles available to download and try out,

with features such as "air brake close when after burner on" and so on.

 

even if it's just to get your head around how the profiles are made as i believe it's a little dawnting for the uninitiated including myself.

 

i tried to load up a downloaded profile the other day myself but was unsure of exactly what to do.

 

as with most software you open up for the first time, you are instantly overwelmed with options and settings which at the time make little sense,

it would be great if someone would be kind enough to give a brief explanation of how to put someones profile into your own equipment for those less familiar like this little duck.

in the mean time check out the FAQ's

http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?44-FAQ

 

i would like to ask also is it easy to remove a profile and have your CH equipment return to default/original settings.

 

congrats to the OP on your purchase, many hours of enjoyment to be had

Edited June 4, 2010 by G3

[darrenl]

Thanks for all of your responses all...very appreciated.

 

Looks like all I need to do is map the axis in the game and use one of these profiles. Awesome :thumbup:

[531-Ghost]

Thanks for all of your responses all...very appreciated.

 

Looks like all I need to do is map the axis in the game and use one of these profiles. Awesome :thumbup:

 

You're quite welcome! Enjoy!

[S77th-konkussion]

Good call.

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=771136&postcount=13

[martinistripes]

Why do you need Control Manager? Well if for no other reason, to calibrate your devices. You can't do that in either Windoz OR the game. And, if you wanted a realistic (as close as I could get) profile for DCS BS then look no further

 

Thanks for the link. Will be using this when I finally get home and unpack the CH kit.

[martinistripes]

Having some difficulties getting started here.

 

Can someone post a simple step by step for using a CH profile in BS please. I can load the profile in CM, but then what? Where should I put the profile files? If I close CM do the settings remain active? Am I supposed to just load the game and play? Also, my CH kit is not appearing under the controls tab in options. This seems to have occured since creating a new pilot.

 

I'm reading the docs, and searching the forums but if someone can fasttrack me through this mass of information would appreciate the help.

[531-Ghost]

Try this... <--- Click there.

[bengo]

Nice tutorial there Ghost, but I see you did not assign the TDC in your setup.

The reason I'm asking is I can't seem to find a way to have the ministick on the pro-throttle behave in such a way that it is precise enough to slew the TDC over a moving vehicle and lock it. The momevent is too coarse, whatever I try (deadzone, curves....). So now I do my coarse and quick movement using the ministick, while I use Hat3 on the throttle to fine-tune.

Any pointers ?

[531-Ghost]

Adjust CMS Buttons accordingly...

 

script

 // First set up some constants for the timers so it's not
 // necessary to rewrite the whole script each time.
 //
 %define xOnTime 1
 %define xOffTime 10
 %define yOnTime 1
 %define yOffTime 10
 %define loTriggerValue 112
 %define hiTriggerValue 144

 // Now set up 4 timers that generate pulses based on the
 // stick position. Each one sets a constant ON time and an
 // OFF time that depends on the stick position. That's used
 // that to time the "tapping" of the buttons that drive the
 // wasd keys (cms.b1..cms.b4).
 // 
 timer( INTERVAL, d1, yOnTime, ((( loTriggerValue - ( loTriggerValue - js1.a2 )) / yOffTime )) + 1 ) = [ js1.a2 < loTriggerValue ];
 cms.b1 = d1; // send the w on cms.b1 (lo side -> forward)

 timer( INTERVAL, d2, yOnTime, ((( loTriggerValue - ( js1.a2 - hiTriggerValue )) / yOffTime )) + 1 ) = [ js1.a2 > hiTriggerValue ];
 cms.b2 = d2; // send the s on cms.b2 (hi side -> back)

 timer( INTERVAL, d3, xOnTime, ((( loTriggerValue - ( loTriggerValue - js1.a1 )) / xOffTime )) + 1 ) = [ js1.a1 < loTriggerValue ];
 cms.b3 = d3; // send the a on cms.b3 (lo side -> left)

 timer( INTERVAL, d4, xOnTime, ((( loTriggerValue - ( js1.a1 - hiTriggerValue )) / xOffTime )) + 1 ) = [ js1.a1 > hiTriggerValue ];
 cms.b4 = d4; // send the d on cms.b4 (hi side -> right)

endScript

 

Works for me.

[martinistripes]

Thanks 531-Ghost. I'm making progress. I also found your dummies guide which will prove useful.

 

Strange thing happening. I'm trying to assign Shkval Narrow View to one of my hat switches (= by default). However, when I select record key strokes I press my = button and it appears as PREVTRK. And then it won't download to the stick. So I went in the game and tried to zoom the Shkval using my = key to find it didn't work. Then I went into BlackShark control setup tab. Cleared the default key and tried to re-assign it. I press my = key and in BS it appears as 'Prev'.

 

Is this some localisation issue. My = key works fine in Notepad. English UK keyboard settings on a laptop.

[G3]

after reading thru 531ghosts' nice tutorial on this matter the mud is finally clearer.

 

firstly let me say this software to the new recruit it's scary

i was getting lost (and had lost all hope) when i saw all my ch controllers were

showing up as the same thing in game in the DCS controller options.

 

the author explains it's the order they are in when you map it, thankyou.

i had missed this vital piece of info.

 

here's a link:

http://www.simhq.com/_air12/air_393a.html

 

thanks 531Ghost

 

now i am going to try this again.

Edited June 16, 2010 by G3