ka 52

[bones]

Is it possible as a future update we could have more helicopters added to the simulation. playing on the multiplayer servers is fantastic but it seems a bit underwhelmong when we have achoice of so many fixed wing aircraft but only 1 helo. i think the ka 52 aligator would make a great addition to the series esspecially being very simmilar to the ka 50 and a front line russian attack helicopter. views and comments appreciated

[bumfire]

I doubt very much that we will see a KA52 any time soon, the hardware inside it is probably classified.

 

I would settle for the KA50 with samshite night attack system, gives us more scope for night flying, but alas, I wont get to see that ingame unless it goes into service.

[diveplane]

ai ka52 would be a nice addition though.

[isoul]

Even if ED manages to get info on Ka-52 for a DCS-fidelity sim I would still have some doubts about two-seaters in a pc-sim.

[Boberro]

IMHO it'd be good... there are only needed two good know each other persons ;]

 

Technically barriers are not so huge, heck I may be wrong...

[NRG-Vampire]

ai ka52 would be a nice addition though.

 

You can add easily the Ka-52 into LOFC2 and DCS. AI brain works like Ka-50, but you can see only the ugly/old Ka-52.cmd model which came from LOMAC.

Therefore many players wanna see a new detailed Ka-52.lom model :thumbup:

[SFJackBauer]

Technically barriers are not so huge, heck I may be wrong...

 

First barrier - network latency.

 

Second - if the pilot disconnects, what happens?

 

Probably there are more.

[SAM77]

Second - if the pilot disconnects, what happens?

 

 

:lol:

 

World of pain I imagine

[Boberro]

First barrier - network latency.

 

I didn't notice pings over 250... often it is 120-180. In your own country, example in Poland in my case you can have ping up to 70 joining to server located in same country.

 

I don't think 0.3 sec delay is so huge barrier ;]

 

Second - if the pilot disconnects, what happens?

 

Houston, we have problem :D

 

Probably there are more.

 

Probably yes.

[MemphisBelle]

...but it seems a bit underwhelmong when we have achoice of so many fixed wing aircraft but only 1 helo.

 

As scheduled once by ED there is not only 1 helo planed as there´re 3 of them planed to be released. KA-50, AH-64 and MilMe 24 Hind. I´d say ED should finish its planed modules (even ifit may take around 25 years at current speed :D), and lets see whats possible later then.

[Scudslaker]

As scheduled once by ED there is not only 1 helo planed as there´re 3 of them planed to be released. KA-50, AH-64 and MilMe 24 Hind. I´d say ED should finish its planed modules (even ifit may take around 25 years at current speed :D), and lets see whats possible later then.

 

 

i think same way,..but i don t think it should be a problem if the pilot or WSO disconnects during a mission caused by timeouts or overheating hardware,..i think a two seater module implements not only function of pilot or wso, i expect both and it should be possible for both crew members to do both jobs for several moments until the copilot rejoins the game again..

 

and if you think on FSX, there is no problem with network latencies if your flying together with one buddie in an pmdg 747 or else..

 

i enjoyed a couple of times and am really looking forward how ED will realize both planned modules, HIND and APACHE

 

:pilotfly:

 

time will bring the answer and ED is teaching patience

[159th_Falcon]

.......and ED is teaching patience

That's one thing that is for sure.!

[GGTharos]

You will absolutely notice delays greater than 0.1s in a 2-seater, perhaps even less. 0.3 will be practically catastrophic not to your flying, but to the experience. Think about it this way ... you're in this guy's helicopter, he's flying you around, and he takes a sharp turn. Do you see a TURN 0.3s later? No, you WARP to a new location because your location is being interpolated due to delay. AFAIK there is currently NO way around this and it's quite horrible.

 

I didn't notice pings over 250... often it is 120-180. In your own country, example in Poland in my case you can have ping up to 70 joining to server located in same country.

 

I don't think 0.3 sec delay is so huge barrier ;]

[Scudslaker]

mh, that WARPING is a possible problem, but as FSX does not respond with other ping then 80-180 i think it should be possible to deal that timing problem. even with some stottering we had no warpings in fsx so far.

i whould be pleased if those synchonisation problems could be fixed in that complexe DCS environment..

 

 

 

CGTharos, does ED tested something familare, yet?

[Speed]

First barrier - network latency.

 

Second - if the pilot disconnects, what happens?

 

Probably there are more.

 

Simple, there are many solutions. Co-pilot/gunner has the ability to override pilot authority at any time, probably by holding down some set of keystrokes and then moving the stick. Additionally, have a button to switch seats, just like any any of the other two-seater aircraft simulations I have flown, Longbow 2 and Janes F-15E. You just press a button, and you switch to the front or back seat. A single person could do all the tasks necessary to fly and fight, albeit less effectively.

 

Note that if you just have a button to switch seats, then you DONT EVEN NEED to have designated co-pilots and pilots. When you people join into the same aircraft, one person needs to just press the button to switch to the front seat, and the other needs to just press the button to switch to the back seat.

 

For single player, have a sim freeze option that allows you to operate most aircraft systems such as the radar while the rest of the game is paused.

 

Lag problems will be transient, and not game breaking. Do you guys notice severe warping while watching other aircraft in multiplayer? Most of the time, no. Very rarely, when lag gets high, you DO in fact see it. Simply have whoever is piloting the aircraft be the ultimate network "authority" on where the aircraft is. The co-pilot is just around for the ride, unless he takes over control, and he sees the same smooth aircraft movements that we see while looking externally at other people. On a good server, with a pilot who has a stable connection, a ping of 200 should be acceptable, I would think, though I have never watched to see at what ping levels people start to warp. I would think that might have more to do with packet loss?

 

Really, all these supposed barriers to making a 2 seater sim have already been solved by other sims well over a decade ago. A sim freeze option allows a single player experience that is not encumbered by being single player in a two-seat aircraft. In multi-player, the excitement of actually having a real human co-pilot or pilot to fly with will far outweigh the downside of having to find that person, as most of us already know of many good people we could fly with.

Edited July 7, 2010 by Speed

[Frederf]

That's how FSX does it.

[DiabloSP]

IF we're to have a good, realistic 2 seater aircraft in SP, we need proper 2-seater AI to handle the tasks you're not doing while in the other seat. If you're piloting, you need to have an AI co-pilot searching and acquiring (sp?) targets. On the other hand, if you're in the gunner's position, you can't pilot and effectively use all the systems to locate targets properly, you need someone piloting the aircraft so you can work with confidence. Of course, some system to order the AI "verbally" should be in place: "Fly lower", "Fly faster", "RTB", etc.

 

I sincerely don't think it will work if no AI is present with you while you fly in single player.

 

When playing MP, lag may be a bit annoying, but I don't think it would break the experience if the game client has a good system interpolating states/positions in the game. As said before, it has been done a long time ago.

 

Seat position should be chosen pre-fligth and unchangeable, and disconnects would be handled by returning the chopper to 1player mode: as soon as 1 player disconnects, the AI takes over his role.

 

I feel a bit stupid saying all this as i'm sure ED already is doing/has done all of it already :D

[EtherealN]

i think the ka 52 aligator would make a great addition to the series esspecially being very simmilar to the ka 50 and a front line russian attack helicopter. views and comments appreciated

 

Minor note: they are superficially similar, but the Ka-52 has many features that are not extant in the Ka-50 (mast-mounted radar being one), and uses a different weapon/sensor suite. In effect: it would be almost as much work as to create any other helicopter and possibly even more than f.ex the Hind since there is the issue of modelling radar systems.

[isoul]

I, on the other hand, have a very simple and general question!

 

Ka-50 is a single seater, A-10C is a single seater... Have ED taken into serious consideration to simulate two-seaters in general?

 

If I judge from my wingman's flying skills with the Shark... I wouldn't like to be in the air with an AI pilot on the front or back seat of my helicopter!

 

Am I wrong?

[polomeister]

:lol: