DCS A-10C Wishlist

[wildone_106]

Are we gonna see things like condensation trails & flourishes over the wings ect? Small details, but it adds ALOT to the feeling of really flying a vehicle thru the air, at least when you see that.. it looks damn cool. I hate the feeling of flying a simulation and it always feels so 'sterile' sometimes because of a lack of small touches like that. Is it essential? Nope but I honestly dont think it takes that much effort to implement either for a nice pay off.

Look at Ace Combat 5, yea it sucks and its an arcade game..but they NAILED things like that, and the feeling of flying in a thick atmosphere (clouds/vapor/mist) todays modern CPUs should have no trouble with this.

 

Edited July 1, 2010 by wildone_106

[galagamo]

Wing flex?

[kingneptune117]

no he means the wing vapor. Not the wing vapor trails, but the vapor on the actual wing when pulling hard G. I REALLY hope they include this in the game, maybe as optional so people with less powerful systems can disable it.

[159th_Viper]

....I REALLY hope they include this in the game...

 

Pulling hard G with your head weighing about the same as the Alpha Male Warthog back at base......The last thing on your mind will be remembering to crane your neck to the side to admire the view of the wing wouldn't you think ;)

[kingneptune117]

Pulling hard G with your head weighing about the same as the Alpha Male Warthog back at base......The last thing on your mind will be remembering to crane your neck to the side to admire the view of the wing wouldn't you think ;)

 

True, but it would be a cool effect and would add to the realism.

[sobek]

Pulling hard G with your head weighing about the same as the Alpha Male Warthog back at base......The last thing on your mind will be remembering to crane your neck to the side to admire the view of the wing wouldn't you think ;)

 

Yes, but it does add a lot to immersion in a dogfight, because it tells you what your adversary is doing. If a dogfighter module should find it's way into dcs, that is. :)

[cctoide]

Given they went to the trouble of

in several different segments per blade as well as their interaction with wind for BS, I wouldn't be surprised if wing flex was modeled. I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't, either, though. :P

[Peyoteros]

LMAO

[wildone_106]

Of course but then again we're not real pilots and like to watch external views sometimes too, especially on playback! If you wanna go down that road, they might as well not include external views at all because real pilots dont see that either..then again..they see it on their wingmans jet heh

 

Also is there any small tactical value to seeing that on your own or other's jets? Shows what their energy state jet is in (pulling hard Gs ect) might be useful?

 

Pulling hard G with your head weighing about the same as the Alpha Male Warthog back at base......The last thing on your mind will be remembering to crane your neck to the side to admire the view of the wing wouldn't you think ;)

Edited July 1, 2010 by wildone_106

[159th_Viper]

Of course but then again we're not real pilots and like to watch external views sometimes too, especially on playback! If you wanna go down that road, they might as well not include external views at all because real pilots dont see that either..then again..they see it on their wingmans jet heh

 

Yeah I know and agree - was just playing Devil's Advocate :)

 

Enjoying snapping pics is a favourite pastime of mine and it would be a welcome addition. However, having due regard to the sheer amount of work/data involved just to run the essentials, one appreciates why eye-candy is not always prioritized, which is not to say that it will not happen.

 

As JimMack said, you eat an elephant one bite at a time.

[galagamo]

I was asking if there would be wing flex kind of an appendage to the OP. And I believe there should be, because as stated above the KA-50 has it.So of course there will be wing flex, this is DCS the new standard Has been set and I hope DCS A-10C can meet it

[Agg]

This thread wasnt about wing flex...

 

I too think its about time vapor is added to DCS, it really does add ALOT to the immersion. Flanker 2 had some great vapor effects, for its time, to bad they were dropped for Lock-On, but now its time to bring them back! ;)

[Bucic]

Flanker 2 had some great vapor effects, for its time, to bad they were dropped for Lock-On, but now its time to bring them back! ;)

:thumbup:

[digital_steve]

Christ

No wonder people get disappointed with releases... titles must be all things to all people or it's a fail now.

[wildone_106]

Not at all, I was just asking to see if anyone even thought about it. DCS A10 is already a win for me regardless, I dont think anyone here would disagree with that. DCS is doing an AMAZING job and its like asking for the cherry on top I know. It'd be nice, but no biggie. Im all for the attention to details and that kinda stuff turns me on. Ok I admitted it lol

 

Christ

No wonder people get disappointed with releases... titles must be all things to all people or it's a fail now.

[galagamo]

This thread wasnt about wing flex...

 

 

Please see thread title. Wing flex I beleve would be cosidered an athetic effect along with the plooms and vapor, it is on topic.

[wildone_106]

Im cool with it, I saw someone else talking about the gun kicking up dirt too which I think is also kinda important..the whole point of the A10 is the gun and it should really make a mess of the ground/objects too, at least if the real life video's I've seen are anything to go by?

[Agg]

Christ

No wonder people get disappointed with releases... titles must be all things to all people or it's a fail now.

What gave you that impression? I have'nt read any posts where the poster says that their not going to buy DCS: Warthog unless vapor effects are added...

 

I have bought every single ED product, and Im going to continue buying their products, but I certainly would like to see the addition of vapor effects.

[bumfire]

Yeah I know and agree - was just playing Devil's Advocate :)

 

Enjoying snapping pics is a favourite pastime of mine and it would be a welcome addition. However, having due regard to the sheer amount of work/data involved just to run the essentials, one appreciates why eye-candy is not always prioritized, which is not to say that it will not happen.

 

As JimMack said, you eat an elephant one bite at a time.

 

Unless your American :music_whistling:

[Protos]

Vapor effect are pretty cool :thumbup:

[Bwaze]

As I remember they were not implemented in Lock On since it lacked necessary atmospheric conditions modelling. Vapour trails from wing tips or from whole wing surface only appear under certain conditions, and having them always present is as wrong as if they are always absent. But the later is easier to implement. :)

 

I hope they will add them this time. Ka50 simulates a lot of atmospheric conditions, even when they are not visible (but affect the aircraft), so I have some hope they can be implemented.

 

I'm not so sure about wing flexing. I think it's even easier to calculate than rotor flexing on a Ka50, but pylons and weapons on them complicate matters - weapons would have to move with wings. I know it's usually a small deflection, but static weapons and flexing wings would be even worse than no flex at all.

[Oscar]

I would want it only if the specific weather conditions that permit could be implemented - temperature, humidity, etc. - elsewise, I'm going to be too busy flyin' & fightin' to care too much about it. Besides, the only time you're going to see this is in outside and flyby views... that's movie and screenshot maker stuff and not too essential to my overall objective........

[vrv]

Like someone said earlier in the thread, with all the realism that they put into the Ka-50 it will probably be the same amount if not more than for the A-10.

[Peyoteros]

Wishes and possibilities aren't the same... Do you really think ED/TFC don't understand what everyone wants? Eye candy, uber high fidelity and so on...? Half of our PC's will choke on medium settings if they'll put everything you're asking for. There are limits and ED is trying to walk on the edge. So, calm down and take it easy :smilewink:

The sim will be to die for.

[wildone_106]

Every other genre of gaming has been pushed into the 'next generation' albeit on consoles, but PC hardware has also kept up in the background and since the Flight Sim genre is has been all but dead for quite a while, we've missed out on all the cool stuff everyone else is enjoying in their games so I dont think its asking too much to get a little of that. And its already there I mean they have the 'light blooming' which was evident in the last videos (altho Im not a fan of this feature and I know it'll be possible to turn if off)

 

And so with the other effects, Im sure it'd be possible to satisify people like you with lower end machines perhaps that you can just switch off high end effects, but for those of us who do enjoy the bells & whistles with the machines that can handle it..and come on we aren't pushing the same polygon limits some of these FPS games are pushing (altho high fidelity flight models probably makes up for that!) We'd like to be in on the next generation too and not feel like we're lagging behind 10 years.

What I've seen so far definitely does not indicate that either so its gonna be very cool, but a simple effect like the one Im talking about wouldn't take a huge amount of time to implement if there was bandwidth available, and with such a complex sim its not likely but hey, was just bringing it up.

 

No harm, no foul:thumbup:

 

Wishes and possibilities aren't the same... Do you really think ED/TFC don't understand what everyone wants? Eye candy, uber high fidelity and so on...? Half of our PC's will choke on medium settings if they'll put everything you're asking for. There are limits and ED is trying to walk on the edge. So, calm down and take it easy :smilewink:

The sim will be to die for.