Eagles leave Langley AFB by Sept.

[shackman]

I recently made a trip up to Norfolk, VA and stopped by Langley AFB and NAS Oceana. Saw about 9 Raptors land at Langley, and 9 Super Hornets lan at Oceana.

 

Sad thing is though in the Langley newspaper it said that by mid-sept. all Eagles will have flown away from there. It is going to be a complete Raptor base.The Eagles will be transferred to ANG units, Weapons Squadrons, and squadrons at Kadena AB in Japan.

Edited July 7, 2010 by shackman

[mvsgas]

http://www.langley.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123210720

[shackman]

That's the story,mvsgas. Sad eagles are leaving Langley. I mean we've stopped raptor production, so raptors can't fill every single eagle base. So some eagles will have to remain in service

[diveplane]

with the new and upcoming added units to russia ground forces, and other countries stealth is starting to be outdated and a thing of the past.

 

 

russians s400 systems. really nothing can hide that much anymore up in the skies.

 

till a new stealth technology comes along.

 

f22 is just a expensive flying radar platform now, atm the united states cant afford it.

Edited July 8, 2010 by diveplane

[GGTharos]

If you think an S400 can target and attack an F-22 at 40-60nm, I have a bridge to sell you right along with a few SDBs ;)

 

with the new and upcoming added units to russia ground forces, and other countries stealth is starting to be outdated and a thing of the past.

 

 

russians s400 systems. really nothing can hide that much anymore up in the skies.

 

till a new stealth technology comes along.

 

f22 is just a expensive flying radar platform now, atm the united states cant afford it.

[RIPTIDE]

If you think an S400 can target and attack an F-22 at 40-60nm, I have a bridge to sell you right along with a few SDBs ;)

meh... stick enough GaN elements on an array and push as much power through it, will work eventually.

[mvsgas]

That's the story,mvsgas. Sad eagles are leaving Langley. I mean we've stopped raptor production, so raptors can't fill every single eagle base. So some eagles will have to remain in service

Just the way of the future for USAF. We are asking our Airman to do more with less, but this new kids are very capable of accomplishing this. I have a hard time keeping up with them.

More and more bases are closing and more and more aircraft are being retired.

http://www.defense.gov/brac/index.html

Some squadrons are closing...

63 FS Stand Down

missions/ equipment/ personnel are changing...

http://www.tyndall.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123204945

http://www.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-100511-081.pdf

Etc.

Edited July 8, 2010 by mvsgas

[amalahama]

meh... stick enough GaN elements on an array and push as much power through it, will work eventually.

 

Even better. Use an UHF antenna (like your TV antenna), round 1GHZ frequency, and you don't have any problem detecting F-22 or F-35 ;) . Ask Serbians how to do it.

 

Regards!!

[GGTharos]

You mean using intelligence to stick a SAM right in the way of an F-117?

Because it had nothing to do with antenna frequencies of any sort - here's a clue. Stealth tends to be reasonably broad-spectrum, in particular for jets that are built to have broad-spectrum stealth like uh, an F-22 ;)

 

The 'frequency magic' isn't.

 

Even better. Use an UHF antenna (like your TV antenna), round 1GHZ frequency, and you don't have any problem detecting F-22 or F-35 ;) . Ask Serbians how to do it.

 

Regards!!

[RIPTIDE]

Even better. Use an UHF antenna (like your TV antenna), round 1GHZ frequency, and you don't have any problem detecting F-22 or F-35 ;) . Ask Serbians how to do it.

 

Regards!!

Ya.. that's great for detecting...weather radars will detect it. but not so good for tracking and guiding a missile onto it. You still need Extreme high power X-band type radar in CW mode to get a guide. If you're tech is good enough, you should get a good focus on it with minimum side lobes and wastage. But then you need ultra sensitive receivers and electronics to pick up the return from a steel marble at 40-60. Then again a 48N6 missile with a .5kt-1.0 warhead might do the trick. ;)

 

The problem will arise when you have a bunch of F-22 formations approaching. I would then doubt the S400 or any system to engage them all. You just need far too much power to track them all.

Edited July 8, 2010 by RIPTIDE

[RIPTIDE]

You mean using intelligence to stick a SAM right in the way of an F-117?

Because it had nothing to do with antenna frequencies of any sort - here's a clue. Stealth tends to be reasonably broad-spectrum, in particular for jets that are built to have broad-spectrum stealth like uh, an F-22 ;)

 

The 'frequency magic' isn't.

Broad spectrum is broad spectrum. But, if you set up a very good half dipole antenna the size of the jet itself and broadcast on the wavelength for that half dipole, you WILL get a good return. You'll get a nice resonance set up in the target to return. But like I said earlier, try guide onto it.

[GGTharos]

If if if. Yes, I'm aware; the problem with perfection is that it's hard to come by in the real world. Especially when there's peeps out there who like to mess with it by using them meddling terrains and jammin' things. ;)

Since you keep saying thing, I imagine you yourself know how impractical such things are - at least currently.

 

Broad spectrum is broad spectrum. But, if you set up a very good half dipole antenna the size of the jet itself and broadcast on the wavelength for that half dipole, you WILL get a good return. You'll get a nice resonance set up in the target to return. But like I said earlier, try guide onto it.

[RIPTIDE]

If if if. Yes, I'm aware; the problem with perfection is that it's hard to come by in the real world. Especially when there's peeps out there who like to mess with it by using them meddling terrains and jammin' things. ;)

Since you keep saying thing, I imagine you yourself know how impractical such things are - at least currently.

I would have thought that the F-22 would stay high anyway. At current operational numbers flying low in terrain I would have imagined to be too risky. I also guess that F-22's will only be used (risked?) as a "silver bullet" against the highest of value targets (c+c centres etc).

 

I'm not sure what you mean by the last bit... how impractical for a Antenna like I described?

 

Well it would have to be biggish but not bigger than most long range SAM installations.

 

Heres a weather radar, long wavelenght. Big.

 

Edited July 8, 2010 by RIPTIDE

[GGTharos]

I would have thought that the F-22 would stay high anyway. At current operational numbers flying low in terrain I would have imagined to be too risky. I also guess that F-22's will only be used (risked?) as a "silver bullet" against the highest of value targets (c+c centres etc).

 

You use the tactics that work best for you, politics aside (ie. reason the F-117 was shot down. We don't know the cirumstances around the engagement of the second F117).

 

I'm not sure what you mean by the last bit... how impractical for a Antenna like I described?

 

It isn't just the antenna. There's all sorts of clutter, there's ECM, this, that, the other. At some point the 'perfect antenna' starts having diminishing returns.

[EtherealN]

Also, huge antennas are very hard to move and liable to make an acquaintance with cruise missiles, SDB's and such. Having a radar that can detect and track an F-22 even through ECM and weather is not enough - you also need to make sure the radar isn't destroyed in the first hours of the war. :)

[RIPTIDE]

It isn't just the antenna. There's all sorts of clutter, there's ECM, this, that, the other. At some point the 'perfect antenna' starts having diminishing returns.

Ya... but we're talking about jamming 2-3 MHZ in the HF band. Not the easiest to effectively jam, if at all. And clutter is a problem for all systems so I'm not sure what you real point is here.

 

ie. reason the F-117 was shot down. We don't know the cirumstances around the engagement of the second F117

 

We're not sure about the details of either engagement TBH. And the Serbs like to tell us about about strange magic from magnetism to IR/Optical enhancements and whatever else BS. But what has been said is that the F117 was shot down at a range of about 7-10 miles from the launch platform, which, by modern standards the Sa-3 is a 1960's obsolete crap system.

Edited July 8, 2010 by RIPTIDE

[RIPTIDE]

Also, huge antennas are very hard to move and liable to make an acquaintance with cruise missiles, SDB's and such. Having a radar that can detect and track an F-22 even through ECM and weather is not enough - you also need to make sure the radar isn't destroyed in the first hours of the war. :)

Ya. That's the main issues. But then again, its kinda like hypothetical. Cruise missile needs to make it to the target.

[mig29movt]

Guys, Guys, Guys!

Remember: The cold war is over!

Who needs a shitty stealth plane to beat some fools with long beards?

How is it possible that both "sides" failed to beat the mentioned "fools" within 10 years each?

 

All of them need to remove the dust from the past 60-70 years out of their minds, if not we'll have real problems.

 

Sry but as you might have noticed I don't like money being wasted in technology to beat the country which was your enemy 20 year ago...

 

But nonetheless I like the technology :doh:

 

:poster_offtopic:

[RIPTIDE]

Guys, Guys, Guys!

Remember: The cold war is over!

Who needs a shitty stealth plane to beat some fools with long beards?

How is it possible that both "sides" failed to beat the mentioned "fools" within 10 years each?

 

All of them need to remove the dust from the past 60-70 years out of their minds, if not we'll have real problems.

 

Sry but as you might have noticed I don't like money being wasted in technology to beat the country which was your enemy 20 year ago...

 

But nonetheless I like the technology :doh:

 

:poster_offtopic:

Threats are always around the corner and contingency plans and development should never cease.

[GGTharos]

As you have not noticed, this money is always a 'waste', until something or someone pops up that needs to be dealt with and you then realise that you've been left in the dust technologically ...

 

Advance or capitulate. That's all there is.

 

Sry but as you might have noticed I don't like money being wasted in technology to beat the country which was your enemy 20 year ago...