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Just reading a book about SR-71 and soviets were certainly able to shot down the SR-71 using their MiG-31s. Some times even visual contact with the SR-71 were made, but this was rather rare.

 

Some interesting details:

 

The Infrared Search and Aquisition Module was able to pickup a SR-71 around 100 km away because of the huge IR signature of the SR-71.

 

On SR-71 intercept missions the the QRA Mig-31s intercept profile was calculated for exactly 16:00 minutes from crews running to their planes to the interception point.

 

Immediately after a Alarm was sounded, maintenance crews put the R-60 off the Mig-31s because of R-60 being useless above Mach 1.65 (stated by russian Mig-31 driver).

 

After the intercept the Mig-31 had to cool down at mid angels because if they would have descented too fast, structural damage or even catastrophic damage to the plane was possible.


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imo russian aircraft are more robust and stand out in the elements for long periods, where

 

a western f16 or f22 would take a big fart, subjected to the elements for long periods of time and low maintance.

 

imo russian tech has always been more hands on and a mechanical approach due to cheaper costs in building, simple running and designs.

 

video below on russian aircraft, example below of the su25 robust simplistic design.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2mKSgvLmhI&feature=related


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^^^^

 

Bull. Huge number of Russian aircraft do NOT work precisely because what you said above was done due to budgetary reasons; maintenance was not performed. This 'ruggedness' thing is one of the biggest myths around.

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imo russian aircraft are more robust and stand out in the elements for long periods, where

 

a western f16 or f22 would take a big fart, subjected to the elements for long periods of time and low maintance.

 

imo russian tech has always been more hands on and a mechanical approach due to cheaper costs in building, simple running and designs.

 

video below on russian aircraft, example below of the su25 robust simplistic design.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2mKSgvLmhI&feature=related

 

FALSE, sorry.

 

As GG mentioned, they have been negleted. Aircraft like F-16, GRIPEN and Mirage-2000 are the most maintenace friendly fighter aircraft you will find. Plus they require less overhauls and have bigger service life than any russian fghter.

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If airfield maintenance is your criteria then the harrier and F-35 win hands down. ;)

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false, sorry

 

you just forgot to include the airfield maintenance

 

Having crappy and ill-kept airfields like Russia's is NOT a good thing. ;)

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Comparing two absolutely different approaches for military doctrines

 

Fully aware of that.

 

We may never know which one is superior.

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Hopefully, history shows that the one which is more expendable with their Human Ressources will win over the one with superior technology.

 

Didn't help Iran in the 1980s. ;)

 

With respect to WW2, the Soviets simply outnumbered the Germans. As Keitel said after the war, the Germans were rarely if ever outfought, they were simply outnumbered.

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Iraq got some help in the 1st Gulf War :D after it became clear that Iran might get too strong. The situation up to 1987 wasn't that favourite for Iraq.

 

Nobody asks if you have outfought your enemy or outnumbered, after you have won.

 

I give you partially right Mower, this is a topic which can fill hundreds of forums pages ;)

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History does NOT show this to be true; it shows it to be true under particular circumstances only.

 

Hopefully, history shows that the one which is more expendable with their Human Ressources will win over the one with superior technology. But that might have changed with the introduction of ICBMs. Thank god :D

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Didn't help Iran in the 1980s. ;)

 

With respect to WW2, the Soviets simply outnumbered the Germans. As Keitel said after the war, the Germans were rarely if ever outfought, they were simply outnumbered.

 

they also had technology that was utterly inapropreate for the circumstances. from uniforms, gun oil to tank construction. saying that they were simply outnumbered is oversimplification, that would bite the ass of anyone who depended on it.

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Didn't help Iran in the 1980s. ;)

 

Actually it did.

 

And I think you'll find the Soviet tactics in WW2 to be far more complex than what you are fed. Nevermind... it takes you 15mins to start your Ka-50. :helpsmilie:

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LMAO. :thumbup:

HAH. Damn I was hoping you'd bite harder. :thumbup: Anyway on topic. Keitel would say that after the war. He was outnumbered 5:1 on the Western front and similar on the Eastern. Keitel probably should have been more nice with his words. They might have given him the honourable death of firing squad instead of the rope.


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imo russian aircraft are more robust and stand out in the elements for long periods, where

 

a western f16 or f22 would take a big fart, subjected to the elements for long periods of time and low maintance.

 

imo russian tech has always been more hands on and a mechanical approach due to cheaper costs in building, simple running and designs.

 

video below on russian aircraft, example below of the su25 robust simplistic design.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2mKSgvLmhI&feature=related

Correct. Everything from the cannon to the wheel brakes.

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