robmlufc Posted October 19, 2010 Posted October 19, 2010 Just been given the news, run down will be pretty quick. Sad day for RAF and Navy a big chunk of British military history and engineering down the pan.
Moa Posted October 19, 2010 Posted October 19, 2010 Apparently their accident rate is high relative to other aircraft (India has also had a hard time with the accident rate with them), and they're probably expensive to maintain given their relative capabilities (viz a viz Tornado IDS and Eurofighter). Poor old England is short of a bob or two these days, eh what?. A sad day indeed, but rational from the bean-counter point-of-view.
bumfire Posted October 19, 2010 Posted October 19, 2010 Sad day indeed, but as moa said, for what they are used for atm, the tonka's would do the job better. I also see Ark Royal has been binned aswell. This new Gov certainly is on a scalping expedition, pretty soon all that will be left of britain will be the immigrants.
robmlufc Posted October 19, 2010 Author Posted October 19, 2010 Its a good job they haven't just found oil in the Falklands really.... oh hang on....
Aliboy Posted October 19, 2010 Posted October 19, 2010 Yeah Moa you are right The Indian Navy has its share of problems even with the upgraded harriers their weapons too are below expected performance. Here is a cool pic of the Flagship of the Royal Navy's task force during the Falklands war HMS Hermes today in the Indian Navy as INS Viraat http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bd/INS_Viraat_%28R22%29_Malabar_07.jpg [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
bumfire Posted October 19, 2010 Posted October 19, 2010 Aliboy, anyword on when russia will hand over the new carrier to india ? As the INS Virat is badly needing replaced. Anyword when its due in service ?
tflash Posted October 19, 2010 Posted October 19, 2010 They also trash the Nimrod MRA4 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11570593 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
robmlufc Posted October 19, 2010 Author Posted October 19, 2010 We also have got two new shiney carriers with no jets to put on them... fail!
arneh Posted October 20, 2010 Posted October 20, 2010 We also have got two new shiney carriers with no jets to put on them... fail! This explains it all very rationally :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6h8i8wrajA
bumfire Posted October 20, 2010 Posted October 20, 2010 They also trash the Nimrod MRA4 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11570593 A total fkin disaster getting rid of the nimrods, seriously, the only thing that really shouldnt be binned is the nimrod. These things were great for surveillance around our coast and offshroe search and rescue, and for conservative twats to bin them, well lets just say, I forsee an emergency snap election coming soon, as no way is this gov gunna last 4 years, not at the rate they are going by binning and closing down everything.
Lucas_From_Hell Posted October 20, 2010 Posted October 20, 2010 I think there was a bit of misunderstandment there, guys. They aren't getting rid of the Nimrods, they've just cancelled the replacement Nimrod project (not aware of the details). Nimrods are not getting the axe that soon then, no? :)
robmlufc Posted October 20, 2010 Author Posted October 20, 2010 I think there was a bit of misunderstandment there, guys. They aren't getting rid of the Nimrods, they've just cancelled the replacement Nimrod project (not aware of the details). Nimrods are not getting the axe that soon then, no? :) Well the Nimrod MR2 was already retired earlier this year, and now the new MRA4s have been scrapped. So yeah unfortunately the Nimrod has been given the axe good and proper. UK's military is now a shambles :(
L4key Posted October 20, 2010 Posted October 20, 2010 A total fkin disaster getting rid of the nimrods, seriously, the only thing that really shouldnt be binned is the nimrod. These things were great for surveillance around our coast and offshroe search and rescue, and for conservative twats to bin them, well lets just say, I forsee an emergency snap election coming soon, as no way is this gov gunna last 4 years, not at the rate they are going by binning and closing down everything. Eh? So where's the money going to come from? This should not be a political debate we're having but this gov is only trying to sort out financial problems caused by the last decade of pissing it up the wall. RIP the harriers and I'm gutted but we don't have much choice anymore.
tflash Posted October 20, 2010 Posted October 20, 2010 Must be incredibly sour for the Harrier community. You train and train for years, deploy to Afghanistan etc. and then suddenly they say you're just not needed. You're simply binned. Who needs aircraft on an aircraft carrier? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
egorter Posted October 20, 2010 Posted October 20, 2010 maybe they will buy a couple jsf marine fighters from the us Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati Master sergeant shooter sergeant important person of sergeants extreme:gun_rifle:
robmlufc Posted October 20, 2010 Author Posted October 20, 2010 maybe they will buy a couple jsf marine fighters from the us lol? F35s are already on order, wont be in service untill about 2020 I imagine. There was a rumour that we would lease some F18's but that has been put to bed now. We could mod the Chinooks and Merlins with Mavericks I guess :joystick:
tflash Posted October 20, 2010 Posted October 20, 2010 Anyway trading the F-35B for the F-35C seems the smart option. More range, payload and fuel. More interoperability. Less risk and more growth potential. Less cost. Naval Typhoon would also be nice, but unfortunately isn't in the making. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Python Posted October 20, 2010 Posted October 20, 2010 Its a good job they haven't just found oil in the Falklands really.... oh hang on.... Beat me too it, almost have to laugh don't you :helpsmilie: We have 2 shiney new £3.2billion carriers and they will police our sea's.... with helicopters. what went wrong? as for the harriers, no comment :( [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Teknetinium Posted October 21, 2010 Posted October 21, 2010 EF-2000 will do the jobb just fine. Truly sad one of my favorit aircraft. 51st PVO Discord SATAC YouTube
Lucas_From_Hell Posted October 22, 2010 Posted October 22, 2010 Although it can do air defense better than anything the FAA ever got its hands on, I don't think it solves anything. On the FAA point of view, the Typhie is a land-based aircraft and, as such, cannot replace any embarked aircraft simply because it's not there. As soon as the fleet leaves the port, the Typhoon is already less effective than a Harrier, independant of variant. Also, even if the Typhoon can perform the missions both FA.2 and GR.9 used to carry with the FAA and RAF, I don't think Britain's really interested in risking a 63-million Euro 4.5 Gen. fighter for dropping some load over insurgents - and CAS as a whole. The Tonka is a whole different story, however.
bumfire Posted October 22, 2010 Posted October 22, 2010 This has been a total shit week for the Uk armed forces, all the cuts and now to top it all off, HMS Astute has run aground before it even entered service, what a week.
bumfire Posted October 22, 2010 Posted October 22, 2010 (edited) Eh? So where's the money going to come from? This should not be a political debate we're having but this gov is only trying to sort out financial problems caused by the last decade of pissing it up the wall. RIP the harriers and I'm gutted but we don't have much choice anymore. The nimrods provided more of a service to the UK than the harriers ever did. The harriers going is sad, but the Nimrods is a disaster, they could of EASILY found money to keep them, just because we are in debt, it doesnt mean to say that everything has to be cut. The nimrods going, doesnt just affect the nimrods, but it is affecting thousands of people in that commmunity who supported that airbase, as the airbase is likely to get closed now, throwing thousands upon thousands of people in that area onto the dole, in that area their is no other real employment oppertunities, so the nimrod going has a deeper effect than just the planes not flying. This government is having a kneejerk reaction and are cutting alot of things that will not produce any meaningful savings in the longterm, which should be the main focus, saving a few billion once may sound great, but in a couple of years they will be back to square one, they should of looked further ahead and cut things that would continue to save money 10-20 years into the future instead of just 5. They could of actually did a proper defense review instead of the half hearted effort that they put in and claimed it to be a defense review. Seriosuly, the Nimrod, the MK4 and the previous marks before it was invaluable to the UK, it was a great intelligence gathering platform, weapons platform, surveillance platform, search and rescue platform and was used daily in the UK around our shores and elsewhere in the world, not on traning missions like the harriers, but earning its actual pay nearly every single day. Now the Uk is left without a credible platform for ASR, Surveillance and intel gathering unless you want to count the Merlin helo's which are far less capable. I dont care who is to blame for wasting the cash, because the cons are just as bad as labour were, but a proper defence review would of been nice instead of a kneejerk reaction that will be felt for years and will in all likelihood take us back to square one within a few years. Ok things have to be cut and our belts have to be tightened, but they could of found better ways to do it. Edited October 22, 2010 by bumfire
Frostie Posted October 22, 2010 Posted October 22, 2010 The Aircraft carrier without aircraft business is ridiculous, the previous Gov. signed an unbreakable contract to build these ships and now there is no leeway. The Ark Royal to be scrapped is unfortunate but necessary, but it reminds so much of when the previous Ark Royal, which was the 1st carrier in the world with an angled deck, got decommisioned just before the Falklands'82 war. The Phantoms from that ship could possibly have bolstered the Fleet's defence and may have saved a lot of lives. With the future so uncertain and possible trouble on the horizon the last thing you should be doing is scrapping a ship called the Ark. "[51☭] FROSTIE" #55 51st PVO "BISONS" Fastest MiG pilot in the world - TCR'10 https://100kiap.org
vrv Posted October 22, 2010 Posted October 22, 2010 Knowing that Kim Dong il, Acmadhahadinejadidad and Putin (You can't not have Russia in the mix whether they actually want to do something or not.) are all on the horizon these budget cuts look great. I can understand scrapping older aircraft that are more expensive but not having a replacement set is just stupid. Now if they start cutting the Apache program you guys will be in worse shape. With so many gaps to fill it will probably take more money just to fill them. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] EtherealN: I will promptly perform a sex change and offer my hand in marriage to whomever
RIPTIDE Posted October 22, 2010 Posted October 22, 2010 This has been a total shit week for the Uk armed forces, all the cuts and now to top it all off, HMS Astute has run aground before it even entered service, what a week. Yep./ Just saw it on the news. There is a high tide tonight in about 1 hour. Hopefully it might be enough to pull her off the shingle. http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Nuclear-Submarine-HMS-Astute-Grounded-On-Rocks-Off-Scottish-Coast-Of-Skye/Article/200904415766728?lpos=UK_News_Second_UK_News_Article_Teaser_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15766728_Nuclear_Submarine_HMS_Astute_Grounded_On_Rocks_Off_Scottish_Coast_Of_Skye [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
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