Computer Question.

[Crazyowl]

I got this doubt and I though to ask the best group of plp there is :helpsmilie:.

 

I whant to upgrade my pc to have the best expirience in A10 and this is what I got:

 

Gateway Processor AMD Phenom™ X4 9500 64-bit Quad-Core Processor (2.20GHz, 2MB L3 Cache, 3600MHz HT3.0 Bus)

Memory 8192MB 800MHz Dual-Channel DDR2 SDRAM

Nvidia GeForce 9500gt (dont remember is it a 1gb or 512, I think I found a 2 options and cant recall but I think is the 1gb)

400wtts powersupply

Motherboard Systemboard with AMD® 780G Chipset

 

OK Iam thinking in upgrading the powersupply to a 650 I have in another computer. A soundcard xF1 soundblaster I have also in another comp. And here is the help I need. I found this:

AMD Phenom II X4 970 Black Edition Quad Core CPU

AMD HDZ970FBGMBOX Phenom II X4 970 Black Edition Processor - 3.50GHz, Socket AM3, 6MB Cache, 2000MHz (4000 MT/s) FSB, Retail, Processor with Fan

Can I buy something like this and change the cpu to the motherboard I have. Or I have to change the motherboard? And also I whant to upgrade the video card but dont know wich first to change if the cpu or motherboard or VideoCard

 

AnyHelp, Thankz in advance.

 

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[Revelation]

Since your chipset is the 780G it most likely supports AM3, that's the item you want to look for.

 

If your motherboard supports AM3 CPUs then you can "toss" in the x4 970. I would also start saving up for a better video card, the 9500GT will be your bottleneck once you upgrade your CPU.

[Frederf]

Phenoms are AM2 chips and Phenom IIs are AM3 chips. AM3 chips have a memory controller on the CPU while AM2s rely on a motherboard-located memory controller.

 

Depending on your motherboard you should be able to put an AM3 chip into an otherwise AM2 system. This is the "AM2+" system. You won't get the benefits of the AM3 architecture this way (no DDR3, etc) but it should work.

 

In a perfect world you would make the AM3 jump all at once with a AM3 motherboard, DDR3 RAM, and an AM3 CPU. That's not to say that AM3/DDR3 is all that big a deal. It's better but not by leaps and bounds. You should be able to upgrade the CPU first into the old AM2+ environment and then do the M/B and RAM together later.

 

I'm not sure but it looks like 4 cores at 2.20GHz are pretty good for DCS. Usually DCS is CPU limited but a 9500GT might actually be the bottleneck here. Dollars for dollars your proposed CPU and a sensible graphics upgrade are pretty much tied.

 

If you upgrade anything though you're going to have to upgrade your PSU. 400W, especially for modern graphics cards is not enough and often you won't have all the proper PCIe connectors and whatnot.

[power5]

Pretty sure Phenoms had an integrated ram controller as well. Just DDR2. AM3 chips have both.

[Crazyowl]

Thankz guy for the quick respond. For what Iam understanding from the motherboard I have that is a Am2 and not and Am3 this is the kind of cpu that will benefit the most:

 

AMD Phenom X4 9850 Quad Core Processor HD9850XAJ4BGH - 2.50GHz, 4MB Cache, 2000MHz (4000 MT/s) FSB, Agena, Quad-Core, OEM, Socket AM2+, Processor

 

 

But my question is from 2.20ghz to 2.50ghz those it worth it?

 

And from this point:

I'm not sure but it looks like 4 cores at 2.20GHz are pretty good for DCS. Usually DCS is CPU limited but a 9500GT might actually be the bottleneck here. Dollars for dollars your proposed CPU and a sensible graphics upgrade are pretty much tied.

 

So is it better for me to stard to upgrade the Graphic Card?

 

Thankz Again <S>

[Revelation]

I, personally, would just save and get a new processor, ram, motherboard and graphics card in one shot. Going from 2.2-2.5 is not that big of a jump. You can overclock and get better gains for free. I'm currently running a Q6600 @ 3.2GHz and I can't imagine runnning it at it's native speed of 2.4GHz.

 

If you must chose something now, I would start with a new GPU.

[power5]

Most of the 780g support the am3 chips. Need to know what board you have exactly to be able to search and see if your bios supports the am3 chips. It should.

 

You will definitely need a bigger PSU for a newer top end graphic board. Resolution determines your GPU need. If you are gaming at 1024x768 you will be fine with something like a 4890. If you are gaming at 1920x1200 you will obviously need much more. Also depends on what settings you use.

 

I would check your mobo manufacturers recommendations on what CPU upgrades you can go with. I would not want to switch to DDR3 when I had 8gb of DDR2. If the mobo supports a 970, get it. Biggest problem with the 970 is its a 140w and most mid end boards will not support that big of a CPU. Most will cap at 120w.

[Crazyowl]

Need to know what board you have exactly to be able to search and see if your bios supports the am3 chips. It should.

 

I think this is the board I got: Motherboard Systemboard with AMD® 780G Chipset

 

Thankz for the imput, Iam realy confuse in some ways but I will need your help for shure. If is not for you huys I probably have to go to bestbuy and ask them and probably they gonna charge me for asking :lol:

 

Anyways if you need more info let me know.

 

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[Succellus]

Crazy, we need the exact model as it appear on the box or manual. Witohut that its hard to seek info on the web and help you.

Another question that would be relevant is how much you intend to invest and how more expansive thing are (if its the case) in your country compared to USA or europe for example. So we can have an idea on how to counsel you.

For example, here in Brasil a lot of stuf are 40% up to 200% more expansive USA price (upto 3 times more expansive). So with the money i invest in an upgrade here i could have something absurdly better in USA.

Edited November 11, 2010 by Succellus

[Crazyowl]

e need the exact model as it appear on the box or manual. Witohut that its hard to seek info on the web and help you.

 

OK dont know is this is what you mean. Gateway LX6200-01. I found that the motherboard is a AM2+. dont know is this revelant now.

 

For the money part, well I leave outside USA but is a USA money oriented and well dont whant to spend to mush but I will do what I have to do to get this baby running for DCS A10.

 

I have a powersupply of 650w that I can change and put in the pc to give it more power. And like I say I put a GeForce 9500gt evga 1gb.

 

Anything else pls do ask.

 

Thankz for everything and the time. <S>

[Succellus]

I m not much in for AMD. I think your best bet is overclock and get a better GPU like a pair of 9800 in SLI. More than this is not worth i think.

 

Not muxh on your board on the net since ready to go computers usually doesn t display they component on internet.

[Crazyowl]

I m not much in for AMD. I think your best bet is overclock and get a better GPU like a pair of 9800 in SLI

:music_whistling:

 

srry for the dumb question but GPU= to

 

I found this that maybe can help you help me.

 

http://support.gateway.com/s/PC/LX/LX6200/LX6200sp2.shtml

I got the AMD® Phenom™ X4 processor

 

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[Succellus]

GPU = Grafic processing unit = Video card.

Let me check the site...

[Crazyowl]

GPU = Grafic processing unit = Video card.

Let me check the site...

 

Thank, hope you can find any help for me.

 

Thank again for your time.

 

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[Crazyowl]

Can Anyone recomend a good GPU for my computer specs?

 

for the moment I have a nvidia evga GeForce 9500gt 1gb. I think is a bottleneck for my pc right now. I can upgrade the power supply.

[Succellus]

Can Anyone recomend a good GPU for my computer specs?

 

for the moment I have a nvidia evga GeForce 9500gt 1gb. I think is a bottleneck for my pc right now. I can upgrade the power supply.

 

I mhaving dificulties to find a compatibility table to your chip. Sometimes internet info require much digging.

[Crazyowl]

Just wondering if it more easy to buy a new motherboard with cpu and Ram.

Can anyones recomend a good combo. The doubt that I have is if I have windows vista 64 would I be able to use the same cd for new motherboard or do I have to get a new Windows licence.

 

The other thing is will It fit. I got this:

Gateway Processor AMD Phenom™ X4 9500 64-bit Quad-Core Processor (2.20GHz, 2MB L3 Cache, 3600MHz HT3.0 Bus)

Memory 8192MB 800MHz Dual-Channel DDR2 SDRAM

Nvidia GeForce 9500gt (dont remember is it a 1gb or 512, I think I found a 2 options and cant recall but I think is the 1gb)

400wtts powersupply

Motherboard Systemboard with AMD® 780G Chipset

 

here is a link just in case:

 

http://support.gateway.com/s/PC/LX/L...X6200sp2.shtml

 

My other doubt is I have a quad-core processor and I think this help a lot.

 

I have to run the graphic almost all in low to get at least 20 fps and is still not good.

 

I have a evga nvidia 9500gt and I think this is the botteneck.

 

Srry 1 more question:

 

I have found GPU that have DDR5 memory. Can I use this kind of GPU if my memory is DDR2??

 

Thankz for anyone that can help me out here. I whant to fly A10 for a long time and have some good visual expirience.

 

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[Silent Warrior]

System RAM and graphics card memory are separate entities and controlled by separate chips, so differing memory-types won't matter in the slightest in the case you describe.

[Kuky]

For anyone wondering about what graphics card to get for DCS A-10C... get as fast of a graphics card as you can afford... if you can get fastest single GPU card from either ATI or nVidia, because if you want all the eye candy of this DCS module (and new ones) CPU is no longer the bottleneck in most situation and days of not needing fast video cards are over.

 

In short, you need to have both CPU and video card as fast as possible.

[Crazyowl]

In short, you need to have both CPU and video card as fast as possible.

 

Thankz for the respond Kuky. With the cpu that I have a 2.20GHz, 2MB L3 Cache, 3600MHz HT3.0 Bus do you think this is good if I get a better GPU?

 

Someone recomend me this card geforce GTX 460. what you think?

 

I dont know yet if I should stard with the GPU and power supply, and then change the motherboard CPU and ram.

 

MY wife last night give me the permision :megalol: to buy my self "things I dont buy nothing for me the hall year" to get a new computer or spend some money in what I whant. But I hate buying something and then trash it. I will try to sale this computer "look begining of thread" but dont know who will whant to buy it. Is in perfect conditions.

 

Thankz again.

[Crazyowl]

From everything I have read in this forum, Ill like to thanks everyone for posting their stuff cause it help me get better and have my eyes open for new stuff. <S> :book:

 

I run this test tonight and this is what I found.

 

I run DCS WH not in full screen with windows Task manager open in performance to check the cpu and memory. and this is what I found in difference settings low, medium and High with HDR, TSAA and the resolution of 1280x1024 full bushess but civ traffic off.

 

1) in Low : the CPU the max was 40% and lowest 23%. Ram 2.90gb steady.The Fps was max18

2) in Medium: the CPU the max was 45% lowest 30%. Ram 3.20 steady. The Fps was max 12

3) in High: the CPU the max was 75% lowes for just 2 sec lowest was 34%. Ram 3.39 steady. The Fps was max 6.

 

Beside this FPS in low and medium the flaying felt smooth just some times the lag.

 

Ok so my doubt now for what I read around here in the forum is that for shure and correct me if I'm wrong my bottleneck here is my GPU, giving the cpu the safe cause it never reach 100%. am

 

Am I correct or this test is not valid?

 

(my specs are in the stard of the Thread)

 

<S> Again and Thanks plp.

[Succellus]

GTX 460 is very good for his price i m getting one, if you can get a GTX 460 1gb hawk. Mor than that you ll CPU will be the bottleneck.

[Crazyowl]

GTX 460 is very good for his price i m getting one, if you can get a GTX 460 1gb hawk. Mor than that you ll CPU will be the bottleneck.

 

Cool thanks for the card imput ill will look at it. But what did you think abot the test, is it correct what I say and found?

[Crazyowl]

one other thing. I see my motherboard have a pci-e x16. What will happen if I put a pci-e 2.0 is it the same or the GPU will run slower?

 

By the way there are a lot of GTX 460 any particular one that is the best?

 

Thankz <S>

[Fopeyducker]

x16 is the speed, 2.0 is the type. As long as it's pci-e it will be able to take pci-e gfx cards