Logitech g940 price drop and new firmware!!

[emenance]

Alert!

Today at Amazon the price dropped from 275 to $250.00. About 3 weeks the NEW FIRMWARE was released that supposed to fix the reversal bug and slop. Sounds like peeps love it. I have read all of the posts and information on the problem ( reversal bug, slop ) at the Logitech Forums and other places. Many are now happy with it in FC2 and Black Shark!! ??

 

Your thoughts on the latest firmware?

 

Couple of threads I thought might be worth reviewing too.

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=55833&highlight=g940

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=45695

 

Yeah I think im going to give it a try.

[Gadroc]

It's not a bad piece of kit for the price when you consider price tag includes a set of rudder pedals and is the same price or cheaper than a X52 Pro + Saitek Pro Pedals (depending on your area and who you order from).

 

The joystick is very accurate, but the force feedback nature of the stick leaves a slop area in the center where there is no resistance but the movement is registered. This makes it hard to make some adjustments. This did get better with the last firmware, but not gone completely.

 

You make these trade-offs to have force feedback on this stick. For Black Shark I like the trade off as I much prefer the trimming with force feedback, also if you get the FS Force add on to FSX it's also very nice.

 

In the end I fly with the Warthog now and the G940 is in the closet.

[MudRat02]

I got the G940 because I had an old crappy joystick and I needed everything - stick, throttle and pedals. Can't get anything better for the price, and I wasn't about to buy the warthog when I don't like the A-10, and I still wouldn't have rudder pedals.

 

There are some gripes, but overall its not bad.

[mikey]

You work for Logitech or something? j/k :)

 

Anyway, it only reduces (read, no fixing) the reversal bug on the X and Y axis of the joystick. All the other axes are still affected and the new firmware didn't do anything else.

After all these fixes I still regret buying it in early 2010, and I do wish I waited longer especially after seeing the 200 pounds sale on amazon for the warthog :noexpression:

Edited January 24, 2011 by mikey

[emenance]

Some guy said on Amazon its now slick as hell in FC2. Some dont even notice a reversal bug anymore. So some still have the small amount that was left in and for some there is no issue. Thats what I read. So some peeps says fix for them, some peeps still are not pleased but alot happier. Sure, as I understand it the slop was tightened up but some small bit had to be left so the motors would not fight each other. FFB sacrafice.

 

What has been the mature rate on these sticks over the years? A year of Rmas and then its better it seems to me. Its 2011 and i really thought by the looks of it the TM HOG...things would be different on the market but seems like its same ol same ol. Finally done with Saitek. Im not looking back.

[Wolf Rider]

they fixed the reversal bug in the stick only, but trashed the force feedback aspect in the process... reversal bug still exists in the throttle, etc.

[MudRat02]

Yeah it would be great if the throttle was more accurate, mine jumps by up to 3% if I remember rightly. Makes refuelling a bit of a chore sometimes.

[Wolf Rider]

no matter what, in the softeware, I can't get the RTC spring to shutoff or reduce the forces.

[MudRat02]

I've had that problem wolf rider. Does the joystick sometimes jerk backward then forward violently for no reason? Happens to me occasionally.

[Wolf Rider]

no, none of that

[JaseGill]

They could drop it to 100 all in and I still wouldn't buy it again.

I had one, lasted 6 months with it jumping about like a sack of badgers and decided I'd be getting rid soon as I could sell it on eBay I hadn't even planned to buy a Warthog but it came up at the right time and I haven't looked back since.

Maybe its me but the Force Feedback, which I must admit at times felt like it could be useful for BS, wasn't enough to make me keep it, even on the odd occasion that it did seem to work.

A lot of people will quite rightly say that its also down to the implementation in game by the developers that also has an effect but whatever software I used it in just didn't fell right.

You'll also wait a lifetime for Logitech to even agree there is a problem, a year between its release and then a half arsed firmware update that felt like a Beta? Not my kind of support (not that I'm saying any other manufacturer is any better as I'm yet to see proof that any other manufacturer is any better either).

I fly for real and some say that the force feedback adds some realism, partially true, but in most cases it just feels fake and like its getting in the way. Nothing replaces seat of the pants flying anyway and when something feels fake it just makes it even less real for me.

Just my 2 pence worth and not saying others haven't got it to a place they like. All I'd say is if and when you can afford it buy the Warthog, I was up and flying in 10 minutes (including un-boxing it) and it worked straight out the box, feels right, performs right and most of all doesn't make me want to throw it out of the window as soon as I make a turn ;)

J.

[emenance]

Heres the thread that found the cause for spikes. loose cable inside ?

 

http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.sturmovik.de%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ff%3D7%26t%3D173&lp=de_en&btnTrUrl=Translate

[Scarecrow]

Had one for a year, hated the reversal bug. It's still present in all the pot axes i.e throttle, trims and rudders which makes alot of the BFM's hard to do from muscle memory and requires you to have your eye on the VVI and slipball when you should be looking at or for targets. Force trimming doesn't work well on a small throw stick as fine control is very difficult without a response curve but the response curve in A10 and BS doesn't folllow the trimmed position. I thought it was awful for FC2 and pretty good for IL2.

In addition to the problems in the DCS series Oleg Maddox doesn't consider FFB to be of any importance so it seems probable that COD won't have any FFB effects above and beyond what IL2 had.

Put all this together and the next ten years of serious combat flightsimming aren't really going to utilise any of the complex and highly detailed FFB effects the G940 is capable of. All the advances in the Logitech camp have come from CharlesB (decent bloke) the community/forum manager who's suffered the continous earbashing and is trying to solve the problems, he's posted stating that the throttle and rudder axes problem will require a different approach to solve than the Hall sensor did and he would be drafting a proposal for continued refinement of the product in 2011.

I've got a Warthog now and I'm very pleased with it, also back to using my CH pedals which are a million times better than the G940 pedals. I would never currently recommend the G940 over a CH setup which is in the same price bracket but thats only my opinion.

[Wolf Rider]

I just wanted a stick which moved the stick forward or rearwards as trim was dialed in... y'know, something like the real (?) thing and a bit of a bump when the landing gear made contact with the tarmac and perhaps a bit of a waggle when the wing ordnance was released/ dropped

[power5]

Jerking is from the hand sensor on the right side of the stick near the trigger. Cover that with Electrical tape and stick will not react when hand is removed.

 

In DCS G940 does not react to game events. I have not played any flight sims in a while. But, if I remember correctly there is no bump when landing. No buffeting in stall. No vibration from cannon. FFB is only used as a trim tool. Force trimming works for me in A10. When I press the trim button the stick moves as it should to match it. In BS, when you press the trim button you can feel the stick lock in place and then can remove your hand. I had lots of issues learning to fly the BS with a center sprung. When I switched to the 940 I became instantly better. Though I did get pedals as well which helped a bunch. I have not flown with the new firmware yet, but I hope its as good as they say. I hope they are quick to fix the throttle and pedals. Throttle is probably more annoying to me than rudder. Especially in BS. Hard to hover well without being able to barely notch the collective up or down. I am not very graceful when it comes to rudder use. At least I have an excuse.

 

In IL2 you have the stall buffeting which really helps seat of the pants flying. Pressure on the stick changes with wind speed as well. Its really well implemented I thought compared to what we get in DCS.

 

I see less need for FFB in A10 for sure, but I dont really want to go back to non FFB in BS.

[emenance]

DONT BUY AT AMAZON. i HAD TO SEND ONE BACK. The manufacture date on the box was July 24 2009 !!!!!!!!!

 

Update: Just got one from walmart and the box had the same date. Therefor like alot of things made in china they must have contracted for a huge run of the ITEM and then sit on it untill it sells. this doesnt look good...

Edited February 12, 2011 by emenance

[kingpinda]

Whats the problem with it being from July 2009? As far as I know the hardware has stayed the same all this time. Its only the firmware that has been tweaked. Or am I missing out on some info about revisioning?

[Haukka81]

Whats the problem with it being from July 2009? As far as I know the hardware has stayed the same all this time. Its only the firmware that has been tweaked. Or am I missing out on some info about revisioning?

 

 

There is problem with some early models, too short cables in throtle, so it generates spikes to R1 and R2 when you move throtle.

 

And its same as with cars , early models has allways small problems and those are fixed in later models. :D

[Yskonyn]

There is problem with some early models, too short cables in throtle, so it generates spikes to R1 and R2 when you move throtle.

 

And its same as with cars , early models has allways small problems and those are fixed in later models. :D

 

WH HOTAS slew works fine in A-10, just not in FC2. But there probably is some trick for it as the default profile in A-10C got it right. :joystick:

[RAF74_Raptor]

I own it and personally I wouldnt reccomend it. Too me it just felt so sloppy around the center. That was a deal Killer. I would either go with the Warthog, Or CH

[kingpinda]

aah i'm lucky then. I got one of the first (showmodel for decreased pricing) but no spikes on the r1 and r2 wheels.

 

Raptor have you set it up properly? I have nearly no sloppy center. using latest firmware is a must though. Actually when first firmware came out I hated the new strong center... Also because in that firmware the centering spring couldnt be set to disable...

 

overall effect to 50 percent and spring effect to 100 percent and dampening 0 percent and centering spring disabled does it for me. the force for stickhandling isnt to great but have nearly no sloppy center. Find some of my posts for more information if you want.

[Haukka81]

aah i'm lucky then. I got one of the first (showmodel for decreased pricing) but no spikes on the r1 and r2 wheels.

 

Raptor have you set it up properly? I have nearly no sloppy center. using latest firmware is a must though. Actually when first firmware came out I hated the new strong center... Also because in that firmware the centering spring couldnt be set to disable...

 

overall effect to 50 percent and spring effect to 100 percent and dampening 0 percent and centering spring disabled does it for me. the force for stickhandling isnt to great but have nearly no sloppy center. Find some of my posts for more information if you want.

 

 

I use 100/60/60 and no centering spring , feels great. And after 1.42 firmware there is nearly no sloppy center as sayed above:thumbup: