Wind correcting Dumb Bomb Delivery

[con3para]

Arr so that's why im missing targets ..well done nice read too ..

[Druid_]

...Very good guide, thanks.

How you see, sometimes you don't get wind data. What's in such situations? Is there a work around?

Yep get the wind at varying altitudes off your EGI. Obviously you have to fly your aircraft at the altitudes you require.

[VTJS17_Fire]

Thanks. :thumbup:

 

 

kind regards,

Fire

[JaBoG32_Prinzartus]

No Joy here. I get the same results as when I first tried this method. Nice tight grouping, but the bombs just land amongst the craters of the unadjusted drops.

 

Am I missing something here? Activation Button? Page Selector? I have noticed that my entries do not affect the CDU steerpoint wind data. Is this right? Your method appears to match the manual and I just can't figure out what I am doing wrong.

 

I have tried bombing with the page selector to "other" and LASTE wind page displayed, as well as with "steerpoint" selected with standard steerpoint, all with no effect. All my runs were CCRP 9000-12000 feet. Wind 40kts (yeah, I did some bad maths in the editor and set it too high).

 

You noted that maybe you just got lucky. Has anyone else got this to work?

 

Yours in simming,

BiPod

 

We also did not see any difference at all in the impact point of the bombs. Even although I changed the wind direction in all my three layer by 180 degrees (Opposite winds) the bomb almost hit the same crater about 200m(!) away from the target. I attacked from 20000 feet, btw.

 

So the wind correction setting does not seem to have any noticable effect on my end !

Edited January 27, 2011 by JaBoG32_Prinzartus

[Druid_]

So the wind correction setting does not seem to have any noticable effect on my end !

 

I should hope not otherwise it could be quite painful and a Dr is required.

[BiPod]

So can we get confirmation that this works? I've seen heaps of positive replies but no one has explicitly confirmed that it works. Just one "Yep it definitely works for me" will be enough for me to rep Dynamo and move on.

 

I've tried again at 20 kts with exactly the same results.

 

What about that button on the left of the LASTE page that says "Do not press! Activating this button will totally stuff everything up."

 

Perhaps I should leave that one unactivated next time?:music_whistling:

 

Yours in frustrated simming;),

BiPod.

[Dalton]

Today I tested it, but also no joy here. The Bombs where always away from the target.

I also changed the directions - 180 degree and noticed no difference.

 

I have to say I entered the windspeed in m/s not ft/s so this may have a affect...

 

Wind setting in ME was Ground: 307/10, 2000m(6000ft) 290/15

 

So I think it won't affect the bombs.

But on the other hand, for what can I use these settings when it affects nothing? It think it has to be good for something...

 

greets

[Buzpilot]

I'm not sure how ED calculate the temperature layers, but here is an example.

Picture below, you can see temperature change up to first 11Km is very linear.

 

With increasing height, air temperature drops uniformly with altitude at a rate of approximately 6.5° Celsius per 1000 meters.

I asume this would be useful to know for setting temperatures in different layers.

 

Figure from http://www.physicalgeography.net/fundamentals/7b.html

[XarBat]

about getting the wind from the CDU: does it only display the current wind and air temp, or can you look up what the wind/temp was at set times or altitudes.

[effte]

Only the current. You'll have to record the layers on climbout if you want the info.

[Focha]

Probably the wind is calculated at ~-1.98C/1000 feet. If you had +18C at MSL you would get ~+6C at 6000 feet MSL (using -2C/1000'). That is the ISA numbers.

 

Regards.

[dc338]

I'm not sure how ED calculate the temperature layers, but here is an example.

Picture below, you can see temperature change up to first 11Km is very linear.

 

With increasing height, air temperature drops uniformly with altitude at a rate of approximately 6.5° Celsius per 1000 meters.

I asume this would be useful to know for setting temperatures in different layers.

 

Figure from http://www.physicalgeography.net/fundamentals/7b.html

 

Buzz that is just a generalisation for a standard atmosphere. The are many variances IRL, inversions whether you are in cloud or not. In dry air it's 3 degrees per 1000' in wet 1.5. Yes 2 degrees per thousands feet is about right but it is not the whole game.

 

As for the setting of wind. Absolutely no way would an A-10 have a you insert meters per sec instead of knots in a wind field.

[Ghanja]

I don't know what I am doing wrong. From the briefing I get this:

 

0 m - 5 m/s - 160°

2000 m - 8 m/s - 243°

8000 m - 7 m/s - 71°

 

0 works fine but as soon as I enter "2" (for 2000) I get a CDU Input Error. What's wrong?

[Chops]

I don't know what I am doing wrong. From the briefing I get this:

 

0 m - 5 m/s - 160°

2000 m - 8 m/s - 243°

8000 m - 7 m/s - 71°

 

0 works fine but as soon as I enter "2" (for 2000) I get a CDU Input Error. What's wrong?

 

Not sure if this will help, but in aviation terms 2000 feet = 020, and 12,000 ft = 120 for example. And as mentioned, maybe the data should be entered in typical U.S. units, since this is a U.S. aircraft.

[Ghanja]

I found my error. Just checked the manual one more time (p 207 and p 208). The altitude has to be entered in feet and the speed has to be in knots. So if the briefing gives you meters and meters/s you have to convert them first (values have to be rounded). So my upper values would be:

 

Briefing:

0 m - 5 m/s - 160°

2000 m - 8 m/s - 243°

8000 m - 7 m/s - 71°

 

Converted for CDU (rounded values):

0 feet - 10 knots - 160°

6000 feet - 16 knots - 243°

26000 feet - 14 knots - 71°

 

So now you just enter 0, 6 and 26 for the layers and then move on and enter 16010, 24316 and 07114 - now you are all set up ... :)

[nemises]

See, fantastic the level of detail modeled in DCS, even down to the inevitable "lost in translation" between a briefing in Metric and a system that takes Imperial...love it!

[airea]

I have been learning A10c for sometime and I didnot know there was a wind correction function in the game. Thanks for the step-by-step guide...

[Xxx]

Interesting read. I missed this when it was first posted.

 

Can't help thinking about the Norden Bombsight our guys used in the Flying Forts and Superforts in WW2, they needed to correct for wind then:).

 

Then I thought, why would we need to input these wind calculations? If you are dropping bombs from higher altitude, our A10c has JDAMs and LGBs.;)

 

The CBU 105/103 has as (WCMD) GPS tail kit bolted on so we just target it to the SPI.

 

Aint progress a wonderful thing :D.

[effte]

See, fantastic the level of detail modeled in DCS, even down to the inevitable "lost in translation" between a briefing in Metric and a system that takes Imperial...love it!

 

Next step in the Pursuit of Realism: The virtual officer responsible for compiling the briefing material demoted to the rank of private, deemed unsuitable for service and transferred to the role of liaison with the Swiss High Sea Navy due to persisting with his refusal to follow SOPs and use the correct units.

[effte]

Then I thought, why would we need to input these wind calculations? If you are dropping bombs from higher altitude, our A10c has JDAMs and LGBs.;)

 

A quick google indicates there are between 20,000 and 50,000 reasons per boom to use dumb bombs when possible. ;)

[luckyhendrix]

just tried this , caused my game to crash when i set one of the altitude in the wind page to 0.6 ( with latest patch of course) :huh:

[Xxx]

A quick google indicates there are between 20,000 and 50,000 reasons per boom to use dumb bombs when possible. ;)

 

 

Yes, quite so.

 

Was just thinking again ( dangerous that;) ), if your CO gives you a vital target to take out and also gives you choice of bombs, would I choose Iron Dumb bombs?

 

Answer, well really, if the profile is lo-lo-lo, then no. ( Exception being High Draggers) If its anything with "high" in the middle, well no again. I know my IAM or LGB will correct itself for any wind. ( Burp, even after too much festive turkey:huh:)

 

There again if we have run out of IAM's or LGB's then bring on the Norden:D

[effte]

Well, I doubt you'll typically be given a choice as to the munition to use. And the person who do gets to choose works for the tax payers. Norden's fine and dandy if you're planning on dropping a stick while flying in formation. Otherwise, I think the LASTE is a better option! :)

 

I love the wind drift instrument they had in the good old bombers though. Now, why don't we have that in aircraft today? It would make life so much easier when navigating properly.

Edited December 30, 2011 by effte
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[Ghanja]

just tried this , caused my game to crash when i set one of the altitude in the wind page to 0.6 ( with latest patch of course) :huh:

It won't work because only "whole" values like 0, 8 etc. are accepted. For some reason some inputs don't work or are set to a different value. So if I enter 7 or something it will show 8 in the CDU. Don't know the reason for that - this might be a bug?

[luckyhendrix]

sorry it's a typo , i had typed in 06 for 6000 feets. But regarding the crashes it only seems to occur when trying to edit this page while on the ground.