Moa Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 sobek is correct. I have programmed to NaturalPoint's developer interface (years ago - but had to sign an NDA which makes me ineligible to create alternative software) and its interface is *very* simple. This is both good design from NaturalPoint, and the fact that a TrackIR is just a glorified webcam with IR emitters, IR filters, some hardware for efficiency, and some nice software all bundled nicely so it is easy for consumers. There is no *magic* in TrackIR compared to FreeTrack or FaceTrackNoIR. It is all relatively simple as far as programming goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobek Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 I have started a petition to Eagle Dynamics to include support for an alternative method of head movement tracking with the Lockon/DCS Series. That is a noble move, but i think it will not be fruitful. ED tried to do exactly what you demand with this petition and were shot down by NP. :( Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irregular programming Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 I for sure will not buy any of NPs products. When my trackIR goes out I guess I'll just go to an alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Rider Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 (edited) @ Sobek I have programmed to NaturalPoint's developer interface (years ago - but had to sign an NDA which makes me ineligible to create alternative software) and its interface is *very* simple. If I'm wrong (and might be) what is this alternative you think I'm wrong on? How was the "propriety" interface you mentioned developed? ie what with? and thank you... FreeTrack has it's own interface (additionally to the hack for using NP's) there's the problem Sobek, I keep saying NP shouldn't have any cause to get involved over a clean product Edited May 25, 2011 by Wolf Rider City Hall is easier to fight, than a boys' club - an observation :P "Resort is had to ridicule only when reason is against us." - Jefferson "Give a group of potheads a bunch of weed and nothing to smoke out of, and they'll quickly turn into engineers... its simply amazing." EVGA X99 FTW, EVGA GTX980Ti FTW, i7 5930K, 16Gb Corsair Dominator 2666Hz, Windows 7 Ultimate 64Bit, Intel 520 SSD x 2, Samsung PX2370 monitor and all the other toys - "I am a leaf on the wind, watch how I soar" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobek Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 (edited) If I'm wrong (and might be) what is this alternative you think I'm wrong on? How was the "propriety" interface you mentioned developed? ie what with? With nothing. It would have been an interface that e.g. FreeTrack would have had to put it's data through, so the devs of FreeTrack would have had to implement it. Sobek, I keep saying NP shouldn't have any cause to get involved over a clean product Well i already told you what the culprit is. NP on the one hand laments about other solutions using their interface, when they themselves coerce game developers into not implementing any of the open interfaces. Sure at some point somebody is going to go ahead and crack NP's interface, i mean, they are practically asking for it. Edited May 25, 2011 by sobek Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Rider Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 @ Sobek... respectfully, that really didn't answer anything :cry: City Hall is easier to fight, than a boys' club - an observation :P "Resort is had to ridicule only when reason is against us." - Jefferson "Give a group of potheads a bunch of weed and nothing to smoke out of, and they'll quickly turn into engineers... its simply amazing." EVGA X99 FTW, EVGA GTX980Ti FTW, i7 5930K, 16Gb Corsair Dominator 2666Hz, Windows 7 Ultimate 64Bit, Intel 520 SSD x 2, Samsung PX2370 monitor and all the other toys - "I am a leaf on the wind, watch how I soar" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobek Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 (edited) @ Sobek... respectfully, that really didn't answer anything :cry: Respectfully, my conclusion at this point is that either you are trying to troll me or you don't want to/can't understand my point, so i really see no reason why i should keep this up. cheers Edited May 25, 2011 by sobek 1 Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostiken Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Hmm? Game developers have to meet FreeTrack halfway. They can track heads and spit out math but without something to interpret that data into the game it won't do anything. I assume that's where piggybacking on NP's work came in. I think it's fair to say that Freetrack did their part, it's up to developers like ED to allow an open interface for head tracking within which data can freely flow. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus_G Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 I for sure will not buy any of NPs products. When my trackIR goes out I guess I'll just go to an alternative. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Rider Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 (edited) "Troll" label?... hmmm, that's bit sad :cry: name calling usually starts when the point made in argument falters :music_whistling: Edited May 26, 2011 by Wolf Rider City Hall is easier to fight, than a boys' club - an observation :P "Resort is had to ridicule only when reason is against us." - Jefferson "Give a group of potheads a bunch of weed and nothing to smoke out of, and they'll quickly turn into engineers... its simply amazing." EVGA X99 FTW, EVGA GTX980Ti FTW, i7 5930K, 16Gb Corsair Dominator 2666Hz, Windows 7 Ultimate 64Bit, Intel 520 SSD x 2, Samsung PX2370 monitor and all the other toys - "I am a leaf on the wind, watch how I soar" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzertard Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 And this is where the personal discussion between you two end, no more derail regarding who said what, and who's doing what. Warn will be issued if it is pursued. Back on topic please. The mind is like a parachute. It only works when it's open | The important thing is not to stop questioning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Rider Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 (edited) found this one youtube Edited May 26, 2011 by Wolf Rider City Hall is easier to fight, than a boys' club - an observation :P "Resort is had to ridicule only when reason is against us." - Jefferson "Give a group of potheads a bunch of weed and nothing to smoke out of, and they'll quickly turn into engineers... its simply amazing." EVGA X99 FTW, EVGA GTX980Ti FTW, i7 5930K, 16Gb Corsair Dominator 2666Hz, Windows 7 Ultimate 64Bit, Intel 520 SSD x 2, Samsung PX2370 monitor and all the other toys - "I am a leaf on the wind, watch how I soar" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WynnTTr Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 (edited) sobek is correct. I have programmed to NaturalPoint's developer interface (years ago - but had to sign an NDA which makes me ineligible to create alternative software) and its interface is *very* simple. This is both good design from NaturalPoint, and the fact that a TrackIR is just a glorified webcam with IR emitters, IR filters, some hardware for efficiency, and some nice software all bundled nicely so it is easy for consumers. There is no *magic* in TrackIR compared to FreeTrack or FaceTrackNoIR. It is all relatively simple as far as programming goes. This hits the nail on the head. I'm a supporter of TIR mainly because I'm too damned lazy to work out the other alternatives. As a more mature gamer I just want the bloody thing to plug in and work. The less time fiddling with components the more time I have actually gaming. Shave off a decade or so, when I was still curious about computer tech and getting that odd piece of hardware to work, and had tons more time, I would have jumped at perfecting Face/Free Track but not any more. Just give me something that works out of the box. Edited May 26, 2011 by WynnTTr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cichlidfan Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 This hits the nail on the head. I'm a supporter of TIR mainly because I'm too damned lazy to work out the other alternatives. As a more mature gamer I just want the bloody thing to plug in and work. The less time fiddling with components the more time I have actually gaming. Shave off a decade or so, when I was still curious about computer tech and getting that odd piece of hardware to work, and had tons more time, I would have jumped at perfecting Face/Free Track but not any more. Just give me something that works out of the box. I agree comepletely, been down that road (and it was a lot of fun too) but now I just want it work, most of the time. If I tinker now days it is mostly a matter of seeing if I actually can do something or other. ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobek Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 I think it's fair to say that Freetrack did their part, it's up to developers like ED to allow an open interface for head tracking within which data can freely flow. No need for even that, FreeTrack has it's own interface, it's just a matter of game devs supporting it. Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Wags Posted May 31, 2011 ED Team Share Posted May 31, 2011 Head tracking API attached. Good luck.Headtracking API.rar 1 Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/wagmatt Twitch: wagmatt System: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=3729544#post3729544 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boomer Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Head tracking API attached. Good luck. THANK YOU!!!! :thumbup: :joystick: Wishlist: DCS: MiG29M/CMT | DCS: MiG25/31 | DCS: MiG-23MLD | DCS: F16CJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaelu Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Head tracking API attached. Good luck. Aleluia! :pilotfly: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] I5 4670k, 32GB, GTX 1070, Thrustmaster TFRP, G940 Throttle extremely modded with Bodnar 0836X and Bu0836A, Warthog Joystick with F-18 grip, Oculus Rift S - Almost all is made from gifts from friends, the most expensive parts at least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V4Friend Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Cool! Head tracking API attached. Good luck. Hello Matt: Thanks! That's a very positive action indeed :thumbup:. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jireland607 Posted June 1, 2011 Author Share Posted June 1, 2011 I have never known such good support from a Software House! You always listen to your end users on ALL matters. To Eagle Dynamics and Matt in particular, thank you very much. ______________________________________________________________________________________ AMD Phenom II X4 955 3.4 Ghz | 8GB DDR3 Dual Channel | Ati HD4850 XFX | 22" Samsung TFT & NEC 17" touchscreen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V4Friend Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 Work in progress. FYI: I have already made a working prototype for the interface, for the 32-bit version. We are testing it, as we speak. It looks like the 64-bit version (the one that's really 'in demand') will require a bit more attention, since the 32-bit DLL can probably not be loaded in that version. To be continued...:book: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackhawk. Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 FYI: I have already made a working prototype for the interface, for the 32-bit version. We are testing it, as we speak. It looks like the 64-bit version (the one that's really 'in demand') will require a bit more attention, since the 32-bit DLL can probably not be loaded in that version. To be continued...:book: Nice! Looking forward for the 64-bit version. Keep up the good work! :thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amigastar Posted June 5, 2011 Share Posted June 5, 2011 Nice! Looking forward for the 64-bit version. Keep up the good work! :thumbup: same here :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fael097 Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 glad to hear that wim :) Rafael Ryzen 7 1800x @ 4ghz | MSI GTX 980ti | 32gb DDR4 Ballistix 2400Mhz | Asus ROG Crosshair VII Hero (wi-fi) | 480Gb Kingston NVMe ssd | Western Digital 1TB x2 | EVGA 850w PSU | Noctua NH-D14 | NZXT S240 | Windows 10 Pro 64bit | 4k 50" Philips android TV | Dell P2418D | Oculus Rift S | Thrustmaster Warthog Hotas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REL Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 FYI: I have already made a working prototype for the interface, for the 32-bit version. We are testing it, as we speak. It looks like the 64-bit version (the one that's really 'in demand') will require a bit more attention, since the 32-bit DLL can probably not be loaded in that version. To be continued...:book: God speed ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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