2-seater A-10, KA-50.... F-15E :)

[Frostiken]

This isn't what you think it is, but is more for an interesting 'training' feature.

 

Allow two people to occupy the same aircraft. Visually, graphically, everything is the exact same, except when you relinquish control (or take control), you fly the plane as normal, and your buddy simply sees it flying around him. Nothing he does has any effect. Think of it like viewing a track in real time.

 

Good for training, perhaps?

[Isegrim]

F2 Button ...

 

I really do not understand what you aiming for.... In online Trainings you everyone can choose his own Plane/Helicopter now and has to Turn on and off all by himself.

Thats way better way of learning than just to look at.

Trainer has just to Navigate his Trainee in the pit and thats only a question off communication.

 

Its easy enough so why?

Edited May 28, 2011 by Isegrim

[MemphisBelle]

picking up this thread again in case of couriousity about 2 seater A/C in general.

What is about those things like the AH-64 Apache. Are those products still in development, or were they droped already due to technical limitations?

 

before someone asks/says where I´ve heared about it that they ever have been in development...if I remember right so ED said that the Apache was considered to be a part of the DCS world, so whether or not it has ever been in development, I dont know. So consider this as a generell question.

 

what is about those things?

Edited January 24, 2012 by MemphisBelle

[Grimes]

I wonder if those cockpit shots of the AH-64A are still floating around somewhere.

[MemphisBelle]

I wonder if those cockpit shots of the AH-64A are still floating around somewhere.

 

lol...just found the thread (images post #6)

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=48772

 

this is an interesting thing. @EB, what is about this...any updates? Meaning, is ED generelly considering developing the Apache (and or further 2 seaters?)

 

There was in fact quite a bit of development done for an AH-64A cockpit and it was thought that it may follow the DCS A-10A release, which was planned to follow Black Shark. However, plans had changed and since then the A-10A has been replaced by the upcoming A-10C and the module to follow that is not yet confirmed. Currently, we still hope to release an AH-64A DCS module, but have no updates to provide at this point.

Edited January 24, 2012 by MemphisBelle

[MTFDarkEagle]

Which a-10 had 2 seats :huh: ?!?!

 

EDIT: just found out, the a-10b. Only 300 have been made.

Only 2 A-10B's were made as far as I know..

[Jona33]

Only 2 A-10B's were made as far as I know..

 

I thought it was only the 1. What Frostiken would have been talking about I think is allowing two people to see the same cockpit so as to point out switches more easily.

[MemphisBelle]

Nice discussion...but all these thinks still do not answer my question whether 2 seaters in genereal are still to be considered!...EvilBivol, Wags or any other ED member...any hint?

[Blaze]

I'm sure they're still in ED's product map as items they'd like to complete, but as for a timeline I'm sure even they don't know when at this point.

[Booger]

I think there is enough demand for a 2-seat anything really. I know in a few (one particular at least) FSX circles some enjoy the luxury of having someone else in the pit with you.

 

I think I've said this before somewhere else, but a DCS single seater vs a DCS 2 seater is the difference between a home run & a grand slam.

 

But that's not what the OP meant...

 

You're talking like being the pilot's third eye while having the same pit access/capabilities.

 

I don't know how I feel about it really. Yeah it would be good, but realism would kind of drop a bit. Let's not mention having to deal with 12 year olds who are lazy to look themselves & will nag "just join my pit and show me".

 

Actually, I hate the idea now.

[213]

if documentation, forum help, track tutorials and youtube videos don't help, i'm sorry, but you bought the wrong game. call of duty is that way>>

[flanker0ne]

This isn't what you think it is, but is more for an interesting 'training' feature.

 

Allow two people to occupy the same aircraft. Visually, graphically, everything is the exact same, except when you relinquish control (or take control), you fly the plane as normal, and your buddy simply sees it flying around him. Nothing he does has any effect. Think of it like viewing a track in real time.

 

Good for training, perhaps?

 

I think Frostiken talking about an "Instructor Module" where the instructor and the traineer have a panel for select "Who have the control" and the other just observe what the other pilot do. Just for show in first person what to do, when, in wich way ecc.

[Frostiken]

I think Frostiken talking about an "Instructor Module" where the instructor and the traineer have a panel for select "Who have the control" and the other just observe what the other pilot do. Just for show in first person what to do, when, in wich way ecc.

 

Basically. Think of it like the spectator mode of any decent FPS where you can get the first-person view, except in this case you can seamlessly take over and it switches them to the spectator.

[GGTharos]

Actually I'd also like to see where the other person's head is pointed at.

[GGTharos]

This can be used for a lot more than just a cockpit trainer.

 

FLIGHT training is not just switch-flipping training.

 

if documentation, forum help, track tutorials and youtube videos don't help, i'm sorry, but you bought the wrong game. call of duty is that way>>

[Shein]

I'd like to see any sort of 2 seat aircraft, especially helicopter. I was flying the mission the other day in the GoW with the BS where you have to escort MI-8's to a command center, and I thought how much easier it would be if I could fly and focus on threat management while someone else worked the weapons.

 

I understand the limitations of developing a sim like that, especially when it comes to single player where you'd need an AI to work the other seat, but I still think it would make for a great online coop experience.

[Booger]

AI would certainly be irritating (intercom menus), but I suspect voice command software would fill that void nicely.

[Severum]

If your going to make a two seater anything, you need to make that person have a point. Otherwise it is the same as the F2 view. F-15E, weapons and counter measures officer, same thing with the AH-64, Gunner and pilot. Makes a lot of sense no?

 

 

I would like to see a two seater. That would add a whole new pitch to the game. Gives the pilot a second pair of eyes to check your six while being engaged by hostile aircraft or AA.

[ZQuickSilverZ]

He is not talking about a 2 seat aircraft. What he is saying is he wants 2 people to be able to occupy a single seat aircraft at the same time but only one person be able to use the control interface at a time. Where this has value is when someone says "why is my aircraft doing this" you can get in the pit with him and say "ok do it again" and catch the error. You can also take control and demonstrate the technique. It has a lot of value as far as catching bad habits and general flight training.

 

And no training someone is not just a matter of communication (if it was you could get your pilots license over the phone)...... because you can't see what they are doing.... therefore you can not communicate the error. There is also the issue of you have no way to get the complete picture since you can not examine the cockpit yourself. They may not have enough experience to communicate to you enough information for you to diagnose the problem. Think of it like this would you rather trouble shoot a computer, car, appliance from a phone or would you rather have it in your face so you can examine it.

 

Yes I know we can make tracks. The problem with tracks is if the person does not know what the problem is your stuck trying to communicate what went wrong over the whole course of a flight. That may be easy for a simple button press or switch. That may not be easy for other things (such as trimming a Ka-50 poorly but having no idea why).

 

In closing it would be a great teaching tool. Another application would be to teach advanced aircraft maneuvers and aerobatics.

Edited February 11, 2012 by ZQuickSilverZ

[KLR Rico]

*insert random, irrelevant 2-seat aircraft comment here* :D

 

I actually think a swappable observer/pilot mode would be pretty sweet.

 

I'm picturing it like when you're watching a track and you can hit escape and take control of it, but live. That' *is* what we're talking about, right?

[Grimes]

I actually think a swappable observer/pilot mode would be pretty sweet.

 

I'm picturing it like when you're watching a track and you can hit escape and take control of it, but live. That' *is* what we're talking about, right?

 

Yep.

[BR55Sevas]

If someone is good for programming then no probs to make dual control for the same craft in mission.

All you need is very "simple":

 

create tcp server ("1st seat")

create tcp client ("2nd seat")

create axis reader of joystick

create export.lua for sending axis position in game

insert axis reader into the client and server

 

How its works?

 

Axis from client sends to server, server have a switch for changing who is control craft, server via export sends axis position of "1st/2nd" seat in game.

Only one problems, 2nd seat have only external view, but you can mount F4 into cockpit, bad way, but better then nothing.

 

I was made test and it works good, I was "2nd" seat, "1st seat" was 1.4 thousand kilometers from me. Som lagz for sure depending ping, but generally its works.

[badger66]

Which a-10 had 2 seats :huh: ?!?!

 

EDIT: just found out, the a-10b. Only 300 have been made.

 

Thats a lot , considering there was only 713 A-10A built !!!

 

An OA-10B mod would be super cool for a FAC aircraft too .

[FWind]

Thats a lot , considering there was only 713 A-10A built !!!

 

An OA-10B mod would be super cool for a FAC aircraft too .

 

F14,F-15E F-16D,F 18D/F can take the role of the FAC(A)

[Eddie]

Thats a lot , considering there was only 713 A-10A built !!!

 

An OA-10B mod would be super cool for a FAC aircraft too .

 

There were only ever 2 A-10Bs made, and they were never adopted by the USAF.

 

ANY aircraft can act as AFAC, it doesn't need to be twin seat. AFAC is a primary role for the A-10 and always has been.