leonsilver Posted June 9, 2011 Posted June 9, 2011 Nagyon szeretem ezt a játékot de most nagyot csalódtam benne. Nem hinném, hogy képes lenne egy gép ilyen állapotban repülni.. **--** I really like this game but I'm very disappointed now. I don't believe that a plane can fly in this condition... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j7fgLdiiQc [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Nate--IRL-- Posted June 9, 2011 Posted June 9, 2011 I really like this game but I'm very disappointed now. I don't believe that a plane can fly in this condition... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j7fgLdiiQc Why not? 26PpA1kFIWw Nate Ka-50 AutoPilot/stabilisation system description and operation by IvanK- Essential Reading
PeterP Posted June 9, 2011 Posted June 9, 2011 Why not? ( < sniped by Nate !) - I see no essential part for keeping you in the air is missing. But I have to admit - the pilot must have had a excellent emergency training to land this plane with blown wheels so accurate... ;)
Scorpi Posted June 9, 2011 Posted June 9, 2011 lol, the new predator?:pilotfly::megalol: ARMA 3 SUPPORTER I7 2600K/ P8P67/ 2x 120GB SSD OCZ Agility 3/ 32GB DDR3/ MSI GTX680 Twin Frozr II /WIN 8 Pro 64-bit/ HOTAS WARTHOG™/ TIR5/ G19
sobek Posted June 9, 2011 Posted June 9, 2011 (edited) Oh rly? You'd be astounded under what conditions a plane can still be landed. :) http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/web_video/military_aircraft/f15_lands_safely_with_one_wing_20071220296.html Edited June 9, 2011 by sobek Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives!
GGTharos Posted June 9, 2011 Posted June 9, 2011 Sure it can, it would be very yaw-sensitive. That doesn't apply to AI because AI need to be spending their time doing things other than wasting CPU time on things that aren't or at least shouldn't be terribly helpful to the simulator overall. I really like this game but I'm very disappointed now. I don't believe that a plane can fly in this condition... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j7fgLdiiQc [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
S77th-konkussion Posted June 9, 2011 Posted June 9, 2011 ?? no biggie at all... This is me... [sIGPIC]http://forums.eagle.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=43337&d=1287169113[/sIGPIC]
GGTharos Posted June 9, 2011 Posted June 9, 2011 Did you have any yaw issues? Mind you, the Su-25T FM is 'old AFM'. A-10 is pretty much AFM v3 or 4 :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
bluepilot76 Posted June 9, 2011 Posted June 9, 2011 I have no problem with that. There is image somewhere on the net of a Intruder or Prowler landing on a carrier sans nose cone. Just be a bit extra drag. Prob fod damaged engines? Im not into the DCS A10c flying around with one wing though. Technical Specs: Asus G73JW gaming laptop... i7-740QM 1.73GHz ... GTX460m 1.5GB ... 8GB DDR5 RAM ... Win7 64 ... TIR5 ... Thrustmaster T16000m
GGTharos Posted June 9, 2011 Posted June 9, 2011 There's more to it than drag ... you can induce really uncontrollable yaw, as well as pitch if it eats away enough equipment to seriously affect the CG. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
S77th-konkussion Posted June 9, 2011 Posted June 9, 2011 Did you have any yaw issues? Mind you, the Su-25T FM is 'old AFM'. A-10 is pretty much AFM v3 or 4 :) Me? Can't remember.. Haven't flown FC since beta 2... [sIGPIC]http://forums.eagle.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=43337&d=1287169113[/sIGPIC]
winz Posted June 9, 2011 Posted June 9, 2011 There should be a use AFM for AI planes option... so people could see how 20x AFM would smash their CPU to its knees. The AI will always have less complex flight model, because a)Your cpu is happy it is able to handle one complex flight mode at a time. b)A more complex AI would be required to handle more complex flight mode, thus even more CPU power would be needed. The Valley A-10C Version Revanche for FC 3
Feuerfalke Posted June 9, 2011 Posted June 9, 2011 Nagyon szeretem ezt a játékot de most nagyot csalódtam benne. Nem hinném, hogy képes lenne egy gép ilyen állapotban repülni.. **--** I really like this game but I'm very disappointed now. I don't believe that a plane can fly in this condition... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j7fgLdiiQc Why not? All these planes made it back home (except for the 1st IIRC) MSI X670E Gaming Plus | AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D | 64 GB DDR4 | AMD RX 6900 XT | LG 55" @ 4K | Cougar 1000 W | CreativeX G6 | TIR5 | CH HOTAS (with BU0836X-12 Bit) + Crosswind Pedals | Win11 64 HP | StreamDeck XL | 3x TM MFD
Bucic Posted June 9, 2011 Posted June 9, 2011 (edited) Did you have any yaw issues? Mind you, the Su-25T FM is 'old AFM'. A-10 is pretty much AFM v3 or 4 :) Obviously it's an issue not with Su-25* FM but with AI Su-25* FM. DCS AI helicopters are ahead in the field as the AI has to deal with damages. DCS/FC2 aircrafts - don't. AFAIK it's the current state that has to be acknowledged rather than dodged. All pictures with damaged aircrafts that managed to land safely are irrelevant to the topic (unless they are supposed to be interesting trivias) as the presented AI aircraft was unaffected by... anything. There should be a use AFM for AI planes option... so people could see how 20x AFM would smash their CPU to its knees. The AI will always have less complex flight model, because a)Your cpu is happy it is able to handle one complex flight mode at a time. b)A more complex AI would be required to handle more complex flight mode, thus even more CPU power would be needed. DCS helicopters are already on whole another level of AI and it didn't make CPUs crawl, so why don't you spare the reasoning ;) Edited June 9, 2011 by Bucic F-5E simpit cockpit dimensions and flight controls Kill the Bloom - shader glow mod Poor audio Doppler effect in DCS [bug] Trees - huge performance hit especially up close
winz Posted June 9, 2011 Posted June 9, 2011 DCS helicopters are already on whole another level of AI and it didn't make CPUs crawl, so why don't you spare the reasoning They are not. Have you not seen what kind of maneuvers they can pull off? They flight modeling is very simplified as well. The Valley A-10C Version Revanche for FC 3
Pyroflash Posted June 9, 2011 Posted June 9, 2011 Apache going into a 90 degree dive... to start a successful pull out three feet above the ground... I for one can't do that in the Black Shark, my rotors like to snap for some reason. If you aim for the sky, you will never hit the ground.
Bucic Posted June 9, 2011 Posted June 9, 2011 (edited) They are not. Have you not seen what kind of maneuvers they can pull off? They flight modeling is very simplified as well. I state that DCS helicopters AI [edit: AI FM and FM/DM related logic] is better than for any other type of unit - not that it's perfect. I suggest you do some reading on that. It's not top secret. If one is too lazy to browse through http://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/ I suggest reading my draft script for technology video I was going to produce before some private matters arose... http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=1028968#post1028968 Link to the script (PDF) http://www.mediafire.com/?j7tc6lgqdk1l0 Edited June 9, 2011 by Bucic F-5E simpit cockpit dimensions and flight controls Kill the Bloom - shader glow mod Poor audio Doppler effect in DCS [bug] Trees - huge performance hit especially up close
winz Posted June 9, 2011 Posted June 9, 2011 My subjective opinion is that, it is not better than the AI for planes. It's very simple, they also follow the same routines (i.e. when damaged turn on nav lights and fly slowly to base, ignoring everything around you). Why do you think they are more complex? Because they use pitch, rudder and collective? Well the AI planes use pitch/roll/rudder/throttle... I've seen Ka-50 shoot down F-15C with cannon... I was shot down in the A-10 by a Ka-50 that was doing a 90 degree nose-up dive. The Valley A-10C Version Revanche for FC 3
Bucic Posted June 9, 2011 Posted June 9, 2011 (edited) My subjective opinion is that, it is not better than the AI for planes. It's very simple, they also follow the same routines (i.e. when damaged turn on nav lights and fly slowly to base, ignoring everything around you). Why do you think they are more complex? Because they use pitch, rudder and collective? Well the AI planes use pitch/roll/rudder/throttle... I've seen Ka-50 shoot down F-15C with cannon... I was shot down in the A-10 by a Ka-50 that was doing a 90 degree nose-up dive. Dude, we're talking flight models here (with relation to DM) - not the complete set of AI capabilities :) I'll edit my previous post to make it more specific. Edited June 9, 2011 by Bucic F-5E simpit cockpit dimensions and flight controls Kill the Bloom - shader glow mod Poor audio Doppler effect in DCS [bug] Trees - huge performance hit especially up close
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