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[awdrgyjo]

Hello again, i'm the guy that started the new computer thread recently, but things have changed so dramatically I thought I better start a new one:

I now have £2000 to spend but theres a catch, I have to buy a laptop, PC, and a monitor, but from the same supplier. £500, pound will be allocated to the laptop, giving me £1500 for the PC and monitor, so, is there an off the shelf machine that will run BS max everything, together with a monitor pref 27" but frame rate and quality take precedence so 24" is ok, for £1500 sorry to bring this up considering how much work, and research people done last time, I am living in the UK, and just need the machine for BS, but it has to come from the same supplier thank you very much in advance.

[bluepilot76]

I recommend a gaming laptop, ASUS G73JW see my specs. That is 6 months old so there might be a better version out now. I dont fly BS much but I think it was maxxed out. I fly WH with eveything on high, except the water effects because I dont like it, and no mirrors, and MFDs on 512. Runs pretty well, mind I have never seen a true desktop gaming machine. Oh it has a button on it which doubles the CPU clock, but WH seems to prefer to have the turbo boost disabled. DOesnt run COD well, I think they are not supporting GTX460m yet. Oh price, was approx £1600 from PC world. Used Quidco voucher too.

[awdrgyjo]

I recommend a gaming laptop, ASUS G73JW see my specs. That is 6 months old so there might be a better version out now. I dont fly BS much but I think it was maxxed out. I fly WH with eveything on high, except the water effects because I dont like it, and no mirrors, and MFDs on 512. Runs pretty well, mind I have never seen a true desktop gaming machine. Oh it has a button on it which doubles the CPU clock, but WH seems to prefer to have the turbo boost disabled. DOesnt run COD well, I think they are not supporting GTX460m yet. Oh price, was approx £1600 from PC world. Used Quidco voucher too.

 

I think you may have misunderstood me, the laptop is not for gaming, in fact it's not for me just a PC and monitor off the shelf £1500 to fly BS maxed out, all from the same supplier as the laptop, thanks anyway.

[awdrgyjo]

hello again, I have found a site where you can specify what kind of PC you want, and they sell laptops and monitors, these are my specifications can you tell me if it will run BS on max with a 27 inch monitor:

PROCESSOR:intel core I7-2600 quad core [3.40GHz 8mb Cache] +HD graphics MOTHERBOARD: ASUS P8P67 [NEW REV 3.0] SATA 6.oGB/s CrossfireX RAM 8GB: KINGSTON HYPER-X-GENESIS DUAL-DDR3 1600MHz X M P [2X4GB KIT] GRAPHICS CARD: 1.25GB NVIDIA GEOFORCE GTX 570-2 DVI HDVI DP-3D vision ready MEMORY 1st HARD DISK: 500GBWD CAVIAR BLACK WD5002AALX SATA 6 GB/s 32MB CACHE [7200rpm] MEMORY CARD READER:INTERNAL 52IN 1 CARD READER [XD. MS. CF. SD etc] + 1X USB 2.0 PORT COOLING: INTEL SOCKET LGA1155/1156 STANDARD CPU COOLER SOUND CARD: ONBOARD 6CHANNEL [5.1] HIGH DEF AUDIO [AS STANDARD] So there you go, I will also be running TRACK IR/ SAITEK pro combat rudder pedals/ SAITEK X25 pro flight control system, any comments will be welcome, thanks in advance.

[Conure]

My only comment:

 

ebuyer.co.uk.

 

The time you spend learning to build your own machine will be significantly less than the time it takes most people to earn the difference in cost between a prebuilt and a do-it-yourself rig. £1500 will you buy an absolute state of the art machine you build yourself. I'm talking real high end stuff.

 

It'll buy you an okay prebuilt.

[Depth]

My only comment:

 

ebuyer.co.uk.

 

The time you spend learning to build your own machine will be significantly less than the time it takes most people to earn the difference in cost between a prebuilt and a do-it-yourself rig. £1500 will you buy an absolute state of the art machine you build yourself. I'm talking real high end stuff.

 

It'll buy you an okay prebuilt.

 

Builds are much more cost-effective than pre-builts.

 

Roughly threw this thing together based on my own specs, you don't need the H70 or the antec case but it goes to show how much goodies you can get for £1k. If you decide to build your own, phone around and get help from one of your mates, fumbling around aimlessly with electronics is usually not a good avenue

 

 

 

Let me know if you plan to go ahead with a build, I'll piece together a more balanced machine at a site of your choice :)

[awdrgyjo]

hello again, I have found a site where you can specify what kind of PC you want, and they sell laptops and monitors, these are my specifications can you tell me if it will run BS on max with a 27 inch monitor:

PROCESSOR:intel core I7-2600 quad core [3.40GHz 8mb Cache] +HD graphics MOTHERBOARD: ASUS P8P67 [NEW REV 3.0] SATA 6.oGB/s CrossfireX RAM 8GB: KINGSTON HYPER-X-GENESIS DUAL-DDR3 1600MHz X M P [2X4GB KIT] GRAPHICS CARD: 1.25GB NVIDIA GEOFORCE GTX 570-2 DVI HDVI DP-3D vision ready MEMORY 1st HARD DISK: 500GBWD CAVIAR BLACK WD5002AALX SATA 6 GB/s 32MB CACHE [7200rpm] MEMORY CARD READER:INTERNAL 52IN 1 CARD READER [XD. MS. CF. SD etc] + 1X USB 2.0 PORT COOLING: INTEL SOCKET LGA1155/1156 STANDARD CPU COOLER SOUND CARD: ONBOARD 6CHANNEL [5.1] HIGH DEF AUDIO [AS STANDARD] So there you go, I will also be running TRACK IR/ SAITEK pro combat rudder pedals/ SAITEK X25 pro flight control system, any comments will be welcome, thanks in advance.

 

I will not be building my own computer, I just need to know if these specs will run BS flat out with a 27inch monitor, not planning to be running any other flight sims or games, it will be dedicated to BS, thank you in advance.

[Kuky]

that will be good enough to run BS right now... one they update it to DCS A-10C level with more graphics features I would look at best single GPU video card you can get

[awdrgyjo]

that will be good enough to run BS right now... one they update it to DCS A-10C level with more graphics features I would look at best single GPU video card you can get

 

The monitor I am planning to get is a ILYAMA E2710 HDS 27 inch, is it any good for BS, and will that system cope? thanks in advance

Edited June 17, 2011 by awdrgyjo
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[Kuky]

the system will cope fine... the monitor is pretty average also... bit better on the response time of 2ms... what I don't like about all late large size monitors is they are all max 1080 vertical pixel count... this is not enough in my opinion for a 27". I have a 24" monitor that has 1200 pixels in vertical and pixels are smaller and you get sharper image... but looks like they stopped making these, you might find most expensive monitors now with more then 1080, like 30" have 1600 pixels I think. Viewing angle is 170°/160°... better panels have 178°/178° so if it's not too expensive it's still a good buy because it's not expensive :)

[awdrgyjo]

the system will cope fine... the monitor is pretty average also... bit better on the response time of 2ms... what I don't like about all late large size monitors is they are all max 1080 vertical pixel count... this is not enough in my opinion for a 27". I have a 24" monitor that has 1200 pixels in vertical and pixels are smaller and you get sharper image... but looks like they stopped making these, you might find most expensive monitors now with more then 1080, like 30" have 1600 pixels I think. Viewing angle is 170°/160°... better panels have 178°/178° so if it's not too expensive it's still a good buy because it's not expensive :)

 

Thank you for the reply, cant make my mind up now, I think the bigger screens are more immersive yet i do like sharpness, would it make that much difference in a flight sim, I thought pixel size was more of an media issue?

[awdrgyjo]

The system i am getting comes with surround speakers, but a normal high def 6 channel sound card, will this be OK, or will I need a soundblaster, and if so could this slow up the memory? thanks in advance.

[Depth]

Yep, 6 channels is surround :)

[awdrgyjo]

another thing, I have the option of getting the GTX 580 instead of the GTX 570 would this be better or would the specs I have got not take advantage of this? thanks in advance.

Edited June 17, 2011 by awdrgyjo
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[cichlidfan]

Thank you for the reply, cant make my mind up now, I think the bigger screens are more immersive yet i do like sharpness, would it make that much difference in a flight sim, I thought pixel size was more of an media issue?

 

Had to chime in here. Pixels matter in sims as well, especially one as detailed as this one. I am running 27" inches at 2560x1440 and the sharpness is definately noticable, but you do pay a premium. It's like looking at the difference between a 720 and 1080 TV.

 

I will admit that MS FSX looks like crap on it but that is just because it was never designed to be displayed that large in the first place. Load up ROF and once again the difference is right there.

 

EDIT: The issue is pixel density, not size. The more pixels that get stuffed into a given square inch of display provides that much more detail, assuming the detail is in the image in the first place of course!

Edited June 17, 2011 by cichlidfan

[Kuky]

GTX580 would be better then GTX570, about pixel size/density, they are related (higher pixel density = smaller pixel) but pixel size matters more for PC's in my opinion as you are sitting very close to the screen and if pixels are large you will notice them up close, so for really large size monitors you don't want to be sitting close to it.

[awdrgyjo]

Thank you, I could not make up my mind before but now i am going to go for the Ilyama 24" monitor, also the 580 1.5GB graphics card, I appreciate the advice.

[awdrgyjo]

The PC comes with a LGA 1115/1156 standard CPU cooler, will this do the job, for an extra £19 I can get a 22BA super quiet triple copper heat pipe, or would I need something even more efficient, thanks in advance.

[Kuky]

Aftermarket cooler is always good, even if you don't overclock it'll keep CPU temps lower, these days water cooling kits are very popular especially if you overclock but they do cost more (check for Corsair H60, H70 kits and see you'd like something like that), if you don't want water cooling check specs of the cooler and how they perform (heat dissipation etc) and if they'll fit in your case as some are really big

[awdrgyjo]

Aftermarket cooler is always good, even if you don't overclock it'll keep CPU temps lower, these days water cooling kits are very popular especially if you overclock but they do cost more (check for Corsair H60, H70 kits and see you'd like something like that), if you don't want water cooling check specs of the cooler and how they perform (heat dissipation etc) and if they'll fit in your case as some are really big

 

Would I need liquid cooling with my specs? if so I would have to go with the COOLIT ECO ADVANCED LIQUID COOLING also I am a bit wary of liquid cooling, electric+ H2O = no Black shark for a while, thanks again.

[awdrgyjo]

The system I was originally going to buy was overclocked, the system that I am no going to buy is not { might be wrong] does this mean it will run slower, thanks, once again I am not very computer savvy.

[Kuky]

You don't need water cooling but it's better then air cooling because it keeps temps bit lower. First time I installed water cooling was about 5 years ago and I am still using it, but the one I have is not as easy to install as these pre-build systems as the one you sugested (COOLIT ECO ADVANCED LIQUID COOLING)

 

I think, if I noticed right, you won't be getting the i7 2600K version with unlocked multiplier (this helps overclocking to be very easy) and you'll be getting i7 2600 instead, and If I'm correct you won't be overclocking it too much as locked multiplier won't let you... so in this case really good water cooling won't be necessary and you can get away with cheaper one.

[awdrgyjo]

You don't need water cooling but it's better then air cooling because it keeps temps bit lower. First time I installed water cooling was about 5 years ago and I am still using it, but the one I have is not as easy to install as these pre-build systems as the one you sugested (COOLIT ECO ADVANCED LIQUID COOLING)

 

I think, if I noticed right, you won't be getting the i7 2600K version with unlocked multiplier (this helps overclocking to be very easy) and you'll be getting i7 2600 instead, and If I'm correct you won't be overclocking it too much as locked multiplier won't let you... so in this case really good water cooling won't be necessary and you can get away with cheaper one.

 

Will BS run better with the I7-2600K CPU, its only an extra £15, thanks again

[Kuky]

You'll be able to overclock the K version so you'll get faster CPU (more MHz) which will result in overall higher FPS in game (I say overall because in some situations the bottleneck is the GPU and not CPU) so if it's minimal price difference you might as well get the i7 2600K :D

 

PS: damn, sorry if I make you spend more money :)

[awdrgyjo]

You'll be able to overclock the K version so you'll get faster CPU (more MHz) which will result in overall higher FPS in game (I say overall because in some situations the bottleneck is the GPU and not CPU) so if it's minimal price difference you might as well get the i7 2600K :D

 

PS: damn, sorry if I make you spend more money :)

 

Thanks will get the 2600K, how do I know what GPU I have got?