tflash Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 Maybe a stupid question, but I was wondering if CCRP didn't require a ground radar mode, to lock the target? It is clear you don't need it for CCIP, since the avionics have all the required data to plot the CCIP point, since it is essentially an aiming device. But I guess that to calculate a release point, you need to have a ground reference point. In my opinion this is provided by a ground radar lock on the target, or by another targeting device like a FLIR? Anyway, that's the way I understand it is on the F-16. So, are we sure a Mig-29 and Su-27 can have CCRP? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 Yes, we are. CCIP and CCRP are actually the same thing in terms of the knowledge you need to have for the most part, it's just a different release method. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Olgerd Posted August 4, 2005 ED Team Share Posted August 4, 2005 By it's nature CCRP mode on the F-16 is the preplanned weapons delivery mode. The coords of the target must be entered during mission planning phase. And it is managed by FCC (of by MMC at CCIP'ed F-16) as the "special purpose" waypoint in the same manner as VRP, VIP, HARM target etc. As the secondary option on F-16 it is possible to assign the point via GM radar mode in flight. CCRP mode at A-10/Su-27/MiG-29 is an immediate mode. It differs from F-16 CCRP as you can to assign the target visually via HUD. At F-16 HUD TD box is slaved to MFD radar cursor. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] К чему стадам дары свободы? Их должно резать или стричь. Наследство их из рода в роды Ярмо с гремушками да бич. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 Yeah, I think the only thing missing is that on teh A-10you also need to enter target altitude - but this would require a very handy map. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dice Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 The A-10 uses RADAR altemiter data for both CCIP and CCRP modes. Ugly but well hung! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 Is it pointed at the target poitn though or is it only under the belly? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Olgerd Posted August 4, 2005 ED Team Share Posted August 4, 2005 Under the belly of course. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] К чему стадам дары свободы? Их должно резать или стричь. Наследство их из рода в роды Ярмо с гремушками да бич. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vati Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 Olgerod did not answer fully. The main alt radar beam is controled by the phase to point at the impact point. That is why you cannot use radar altimeter in this modes. Lomac doesnt do good job w/ CCRP.. target can be/stay locked beyond the limits of alt radar. http://www.condorsoaring.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwingKid Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 Olgerod did not answer fully. The main alt radar beam is controled by the phase to point at the impact point. That is why you cannot use radar altimeter in this modes. Source? -SK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUBS17 Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 How about the sniper pod, I wonder if they can do the same CCRP lock as the 25Ts shivkal. [sIGPIC] [/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vati Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 SK, I tried to find the LASTE docs where I had read that but I am going crazy here w/o luck. However after rereading the material on the earlier LASTE versions which did not have CCRP, I am not 100% sure anymore that you could not have radar or delta alt after the target designation. So you are freely to take mine comment above w/ reserve... http://www.condorsoaring.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dice Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 Not true, LASTE doestn't "aim" the radar altimeters but uses "slices" of it's data for CCRP, the radar altimeter still works for other system in this mode. Ugly but well hung! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Olgerd Posted August 5, 2005 ED Team Share Posted August 5, 2005 Dice is right here. ;) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] К чему стадам дары свободы? Их должно резать или стричь. Наследство их из рода в роды Ярмо с гремушками да бич. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotray Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 Dice is right here. ;) wonder why? nice to see that you're still online, Dice. :beer: blibet suber! ray Swiss Jet Team Movie 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Olgerd Posted August 5, 2005 ED Team Share Posted August 5, 2005 Not. I see his location. :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] К чему стадам дары свободы? Их должно резать или стричь. Наследство их из рода в роды Ярмо с гремушками да бич. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vati Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 Not true, LASTE doestn't "aim" the radar altimeters but uses "slices" of it's data for CCRP, the radar altimeter still works for other system in this mode. Would you be so kind and describe a bit more what have you meant by "slices". http://www.condorsoaring.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tflash Posted August 5, 2005 Author Share Posted August 5, 2005 Anyway, giys, many thanks for the very instructive answers to my not so well informed question! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Olgerd Posted August 5, 2005 ED Team Share Posted August 5, 2005 Anytime mate. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] К чему стадам дары свободы? Их должно резать или стричь. Наследство их из рода в роды Ярмо с гремушками да бич. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dice Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 Hotray, thanks I still drop by every-once-in-a-while to see what's going on. Vati, when you slew the TDB over the target and "lock-on" flight data such as AOA and slang-range (angle of the TDB V the TDB) are used by the IFFCC computer to know which "sector" of the radar altimeter data to use for it's CCRP comps. Ugly but well hung! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Olgerd Posted August 5, 2005 ED Team Share Posted August 5, 2005 Dice, as I understand this only eliminates pitch/bank induced ralt measurement errors. Or I am wrong? 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] К чему стадам дары свободы? Их должно резать или стричь. Наследство их из рода в роды Ярмо с гремушками да бич. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dice Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 Dice, as I understand this only eliminates pitch/bank induced ralt measurement errors. Or I am wrong? If I understand your question then the answer would be yes, it doesn't correct for "enviromental factors". 1 Ugly but well hung! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Olgerd Posted August 6, 2005 ED Team Share Posted August 6, 2005 Thank you. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] К чему стадам дары свободы? Их должно резать или стричь. Наследство их из рода в роды Ярмо с гремушками да бич. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vati Posted August 6, 2005 Share Posted August 6, 2005 Hotray, thanks I still drop by every-once-in-a-while to see what's going on. Vati, when you slew the TDB over the target and "lock-on" flight data such as AOA and slang-range (angle of the TDB V the TDB) are used by the IFFCC computer to know which "sector" of the radar altimeter data to use for it's CCRP comps. Thank you for explaining it... then the doc I had read was wrong in this detail, as it mentioned beam controling instead of the walking thru the fixed beams/lobes for slant ranging.. So if I gather this correctly this mean the used lobes are the forward hemisphere of the GCAS installment? http://www.condorsoaring.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dice Posted August 6, 2005 Share Posted August 6, 2005 Vati, not use I understand what you're asking? Ugly but well hung! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vati Posted August 6, 2005 Share Posted August 6, 2005 Dice, what I had asked was if the the forward 'slices' of altitude radar you had mentioned are the one which are also used for the Ground Collision Avoidance System which is part of LASTE? http://www.condorsoaring.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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