hitman Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 (edited) Now, this is no ****! Towards the end of the AIM/ACE -- EVAL, things had heated up between the Eagle and Turkey pilots. At the Nellis O’club many innuendoes and challenges had been thrown out as a result of the high profile dog fights between the Tomcat/Eagle Blue Force and the F-5Es. The Blue Force F-15 drivers were threatened with a court martial, flying rubber dog **** outta Hong Kong and having their birthday taken away if they even thought about locking horns with ACEVAL Tomcats. When the test sorties were finally over, a couple of F-15 instructors in the 415th training squadron took the bait. “Turk” Pentecost and I were a section. Turk was not nearly as cocky, arrogant and boisterous as D-Hose, but just as aggressive, smart, devious and just as good a stick. We briefed a very wide hook, an altitude split of 10k ft. and a radar sort @ 25nm by Bill “Hill Billy” Hill and “Fearless” Frank Schumacher. All pre-merge heat and radar missiles didn’t count. It was GUNS only at the merge. The wide hook enabled Turk and D-Hose to split the fight into (2)1v1’s, with one Turkey high, one low and lots of lateral separation. As Hill Billy and D-hose closed for a 250ft, guns kill on their Eagle, the comm went like this: D-hose: "Where are you Turk?" Fearless: "Right above you Hoser" D-hose: "We got two cons! Who’s out front?" Turk (mildly offended): "Who do ya think?" Both Eagles were gunned, “knock it off” was called, and the Tomcats RTB’d with a 500 knot, 6.5g, half second break at Nellis…cuz that was our salute and tribute to our fine VX-4 maintenance personnel. Knowing the gun camera film would be destroyed by the Nellis Photo lab, it was covertly sent to a secret contact at Grumman for processing. Bout a month later, December 6, the door slams open and General Knight, with 2 of his staff, doggie wobble heads entered demanding to know “who and where are Hoser and Turk?” Falcon (J.W. Taylor), OinC, stepped up asking if he could be of assistance. The General respondes with, “Your fighter jocks have no idea how their playful antics affect important political decisions!” Well, as General Knight proceeded to explain, Japan had contracted for twenty one F-15s, but an article in Aviation Week had talked about the F-14 being superior to the Eagle. With gun camera film to prove it, Japan was considering buying F-14s instead. The General told JW he wanted ALL copies of the gun camera film, the TVSU/VCR tapes, and audio recordings on his desk by 0900 the next day. He was obviously ****** when he arrived, but as a result of the humility and contrition displayed by Turk and D-hose, he was satisfied that his mission was accomplished. Of course, D-hose and Turk didn’t want to embarrass the F-15 community, and they never mentioned the incident again…UNTIL NOW! ……. A few months later at a VX-4 at JW’s , D-Hose sez “Hey Falcon, I know ya got a copy of that 16mm gun film,,,, how bout it? JW bugs for a few and returns with film I have in my hand right now. PS: The 8” x 10” single frame of the 16 mm gun film on my bulkhead in my ‘ war room’ shows a F-15 thru a F-14 HUD, radar lock, @250ft, Vc zero, piper on the pilot’s helmet, gun selected, No X over the ‘G’ = master arm on = half detent on trigger depressed, (which activates gun camera and opens the gun gass purge doors) with… Zero rounds remaining……. Good Thing!!! Edited August 16, 2011 by EtherealN 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EtherealN Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 I helped you out with that stuck bold key. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Daniel "EtherealN" Agorander | Даниэль "эфирныйн" Агорандер Intel i7 2600K @ 4.4GHz, ASUS Sabertooth P67, 8GB Corsair Vengeance @ 1600MHz, ASUS GTX 560Ti DirectCU II 1GB, Samsung 830series 512GB SSD, Corsair AX850w, two BENQ screens and TM HOTAS Warthog DCS: A-10C Warthog FAQ | DCS: P-51D FAQ | Remember to read the Forum Rules | | | Life of a Game Tester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitman Posted August 16, 2011 Author Share Posted August 16, 2011 I helped you out with that stuck bold key. It wasnt stuck. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nscode Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Wow! Great! Where can I purchase this fine F-14? Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoGas Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Tomcat baby......:thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper101 Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Hoser was the man! Also is it just me or does that look more like a Strike Eagle than just an Eagle in that picture? Even better. :D [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitman Posted August 16, 2011 Author Share Posted August 16, 2011 I would assume its an F-15D model, Viper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
159th_Viper Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Akin to the F/A-18F having a Raptor dead to rights.........:music_whistling: Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jona33 Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Akin to the F/A-18F having a Raptor dead to rights.........:music_whistling: Yeah, go Superhornet. Always remember. I don't have a clue what I'm doing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cupra Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 It's not the jet, it is the pilot wo makes it ;) Its like this US agressor squadron flying F-16. They can handle and win against all US fighter Aircract in Dogfight expect the F-22 if a good pilot is in. So it is all about training end expierence. 1 DCS F-16C Blk. 40/42 :helpsmilie: Candidate - 480th VFS - Cupra | 06 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilotasso Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Its was an upset win for superior flying skills (F-14 had considerably less T/W ratio). I petty those eagle drivers. :D [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic4448_29.gif[/sigpic] My PC specs below:Case: Corsair 400C PSU: SEASONIC SS-760XP2 760W Platinum CPU: AMD RYZEN 3900X (12C/24T) RAM: 32 GB 4266Mhz (two 2x8 kits) of trident Z RGB @3600Mhz CL 14 CR=1T MOBO: ASUS CROSSHAIR HERO VI AM4 GFX: GTX 1080Ti MSI Gaming X Cooler: NXZT Kraken X62 280mm AIO Storage: Samsung 960 EVO 1TB M.2+6GB WD 6Gb red HOTAS: Thrustmaster Warthog + CH pro pedals Monitor: Gigabyte AORUS AD27QD Freesync HDR400 1440P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Don't worry, the turkeys got trashed regularly in encouters with 15's and 16's ... they needed this little break - there's a reason that aircraft was called the Turkey. As for the Raptor shot, ask how many superhornets were lost by the time that shot was taken ;) Hoser was the man! Also is it just me or does that look more like a Strike Eagle than just an Eagle in that picture? Even better. :D [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
159th_Viper Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 As for the Raptor shot, ask how many superhornets were lost by the time that shot was taken ;) I may have been a bit vague......:D That pic of the Superbug is nothing to what it purports to be - that's the point I was attempting to convey: There's the picture and then there's the BIGGER picture.....always question and never accept things at face-value. Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Oh, I know you know better :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Akin to the F/A-18F having a Raptor dead to rights.........:music_whistling: I agree, it doesn't matter how good a jet is or "suppose" to be, it won't win EVERY fight it gets into. This story says nothing about the F-14 being better then the F-15. All it says is that the F-14 got the F-15 one time. This article or story doesn't mean squat! There are many out there that say otherwise. When I was in Alaska, one of our A-10A's killed a F-18, does that mean the A-10 is a better jet, yes I know they have different roles. i7-4820k @ 3.7, Windows 7 64-bit, 16GB 1866mhz EVGA GTX 970 2GB, 256GB SSD, 500GB WD, TM Warthog, TM Cougar MFD's, Saitek Combat Pedals, TrackIR 5, G15 keyboard, 55" 4K LED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvsgas Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 I agree, it doesn't matter how good a jet is or "suppose" to be, it won't win EVERY fight it gets into. This story says nothing about the F-14 being better then the F-15. All it says is that the F-14 got the F-15 one time. This article or story doesn't mean squat! There are many out there that say otherwise. When I was in Alaska, one of our A-10A's killed a F-18, does that mean the A-10 is a better jet, yes I know they have different roles. :D:smartass: It must mean that Cali, :D for now on I will say A-10 is better than F-18 in the dog fight...I agree Cali, one story, one pic. MIG-17 got many kill, Doesn't mean it was better than the rest. I don't know why I bother this will turn into a 200 page of; "This one is better because..." To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitman Posted August 16, 2011 Author Share Posted August 16, 2011 I just posted a story, I didnt post a debate! A little inter service. rivalry never hurt nobody Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey45 Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Good story hitman. The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron886 Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Haha awesome article, where was this posted originally? Fly Navy!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimes Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Clearly they just "hit the breaks" which caused the F-15s to "fly right by" The right man in the wrong place makes all the difference in the world. Current Projects: Grayflag Server, Scripting Wiki Useful Links: Mission Scripting Tools MIST-(GitHub) MIST-(Thread) SLMOD, Wiki wishlist, Mission Editing Wiki!, Mission Building Forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitman Posted August 17, 2011 Author Share Posted August 17, 2011 Haha awesome article, where was this posted originally? Fly Navy!!! Found this on Arc Air discussion forums...its a scale model forum I visit for tips and tricks for airbrushing and whatnot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitman Posted August 17, 2011 Author Share Posted August 17, 2011 Clearly they just "hit the breaks" which caused the F-15s to "fly right by" Nah, man...iceman just cut him off and caused the F-15 to go into a tailspin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitman Posted August 17, 2011 Author Share Posted August 17, 2011 original thread with model display http://s362974870.onlinehome.us/forums/air/index.php?showtopic=218183 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron886 Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Thanks for the link, hitman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPTIDE Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 F-15's getting owned... fap fap :D [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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