Eddie Posted July 23, 2012 Posted July 23, 2012 wow looking forward to letting six of them fly off the rail :) I'd imagine you go all giddy at the thought of rippling 18 of 'em then. :D
joey45 Posted July 23, 2012 Posted July 23, 2012 ^^ what I was gonna say would of got me a warning or a ban.. The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45
159th_Viper Posted July 23, 2012 Posted July 23, 2012 18? A swarm of angry Hornets was the first thing that sprang to mind :D By Gawd that will ruin any tank-commander's breakfast. Any confirmation on range yet? Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......'
Eddie Posted July 23, 2012 Posted July 23, 2012 Any confirmation on range yet? Not that will ever be posted on this forum, no. ;)
159th_Viper Posted July 23, 2012 Posted July 23, 2012 Ah ok - was hoping for more than 12km. I'll wait and see what VEAO comes up with. Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......'
garengarch Posted July 23, 2012 Posted July 23, 2012 Its listed as 8km....but hey http://www.armedforces.co.uk/raf/listings/l0039.html#BRIMSTONE Vega 2700x /16Gb ram/480Gb SSD/1Tb Seagate/nVidia 2080/Win 10 64 bit Rift. T-flight pedals.
GGTharos Posted July 23, 2012 Posted July 23, 2012 You can figure out a ballpark via simulation by taking some of the hellfire data, but you'd have to know certain things like terminal criteria etc. In short, we can take a heck of a guess, but it will just be some form of ballistic range which also must depend on the attack profile. The other question is, are the batteries good enough to account for two to three times the flight duration of a hellfire, etc. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
joey45 Posted July 23, 2012 Posted July 23, 2012 That's what they want you to know.. Add a few more K's to that. The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted July 23, 2012 ED Team Posted July 23, 2012 was just watching the brimstone manufacturers video nice ! http://www.mbda-systems.com/e-catalogue/#/solutions/air/23/video Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, PIMAX Crystal
112th_Rossi Posted July 23, 2012 Posted July 23, 2012 was just watching the brimstone manufacturers video nice ! http://www.mbda-systems.com/e-catalogue/#/solutions/air/23/video Those promo vids always make me cringe. Impressive firepower but you always get the feeling that the marketing directors teenage sons band did the music.
Eddie Posted July 23, 2012 Posted July 23, 2012 Here's a little pic for ya I forgot I had sat around, you'll have to ignore the dodgy stitching job (there was a jet sat in the hangar stopping me getting the whole thing in one pic). I can't find a pic of the Typhoon's tally board, although I'm sure I took one, I'll keep looking as I'm sure it'll be around somewhere in some deep dark part of a hard drive. This was the GR4 weapon tally about a month and a half in to Op Ellamy (Op Unified Protector and gives a good impression of the insane amount of ordnance that was dropped during the first 3 months. From the top you've got Paveway IV, then Brimstone the lastly buddy lase attacks where the Tornado's lased for the Typhoons early on when there weren't enough LITENING pods to go around/the Typhoons had a few issues that needed ironing out. And in case anyone wonders the dropped drop tank was dumped by a GR4 on final into Gioia and landed inside the wire. We didn't drive into Libya to get it. ;)
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted July 23, 2012 ED Team Posted July 23, 2012 Nice trophy for the wall, thanks for sharing :) Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, PIMAX Crystal
OutOnTheOP Posted July 24, 2012 Posted July 24, 2012 Yeah....12-15km sounds more right (at least aerodynamically) to me; keep in mind Hellfire is an 8km missile, and it's launched from basically 0 AGL, 0 IAS. Huge kinematic advantage from Brimstone's launch platform! I'll admit, Brimstone is a piece of equipment I wish we had. Though from reading the earlier post about the cold war ripple-fire intent of Brimstone, sounds like maybe the USAF decided to answer the same problem set with CBU97 instead. Certainly each has their advantage- CBU97 is technically capable of engaging more targets (if they're relatively close together), while Brimstone is a better solution for widely dispersed targets and SHORAD-defended targets. There's a lot to be said about that extra 8+ km standoff.
rattler Posted July 24, 2012 Posted July 24, 2012 Yeah....12-15km sounds more right (at least aerodynamically) to me; keep in mind Hellfire is an 8km missile, and it's launched from basically 0 AGL, 0 IAS. Huge kinematic advantage from Brimstone's launch platform! I'll admit, Brimstone is a piece of equipment I wish we had. Though from reading the earlier post about the cold war ripple-fire intent of Brimstone, sounds like maybe the USAF decided to answer the same problem set with CBU97 instead. Certainly each has their advantage- CBU97 is technically capable of engaging more targets (if they're relatively close together), while Brimstone is a better solution for widely dispersed targets and SHORAD-defended targets. There's a lot to be said about that extra 8+ km standoff. Do you mean the hellfires are not launced also from a helio platform?:huh:
159th_Viper Posted July 24, 2012 Posted July 24, 2012 Do you mean the hellfires are not launced also from a helio platform?:huh: That's not what he said. Hellfires are even launched from boats, but that is besides the point. It's the kinematic advantage that the Brimstone has due to being capable of being launched from fast-jets that he highlighted. Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......'
GGTharos Posted July 24, 2012 Posted July 24, 2012 They can do this with MMW hellfires as well, but this sort of use has its own problems. MMW radar has, shall we say, its own challenges. Brimstone is derived from the hellfire, but according to the literature it is a complete re-design, so it might be able to mitigate some of the old problems. I'll admit, Brimstone is a piece of equipment I wish we had. Though from reading the earlier post about the cold war ripple-fire intent of Brimstone, sounds like maybe the USAF decided to answer the same problem set with CBU97 instead. Certainly each has their advantage- CBU97 is technically capable of engaging more targets (if they're relatively close together), while Brimstone is a better solution for widely dispersed targets and SHORAD-defended targets. There's a lot to be said about that extra 8+ km standoff. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
rattler Posted July 24, 2012 Posted July 24, 2012 That's not what he said. Hellfires are even launched from boats, but that is besides the point. It's the kinematic advantage that the Brimstone has due to being capable of being launched from fast-jets that he highlighted. Ok, viper, just misunderstood.:doh:
Pyroflash Posted July 24, 2012 Posted July 24, 2012 Do you mean the hellfires are not launced also from a helio platform?:huh: The brimstone is a fixed wing aircraft launched missile. Though the hellfire can also be launched from certain UAV's. If you aim for the sky, you will never hit the ground.
Alicatt Posted July 24, 2012 Posted July 24, 2012 The brimstone is a fixed wing aircraft launched missile. Though the hellfire can also be launched from certain UAV's.Brimstone can also be launched from ship and ground vehicle tho the MOD did not take that option up Sons of Dogs, Come Eat Flesh Clan Cameron
rattler Posted July 24, 2012 Posted July 24, 2012 Brimstone can also be launched from ship and ground vehicle tho the MOD did not take that option up If that's you in the thumbnail, hello fellow archer.:thumbup:
Alicatt Posted July 24, 2012 Posted July 24, 2012 If that's you in the thumbnail, hello fellow archer.:thumbup: Hello and yes it is I :) FITA Target at LEL and 3D Natuur at our new club in Genk (No web site yet) http://www.lel-leopoldsburg.be/j25/ :thumbup: Sons of Dogs, Come Eat Flesh Clan Cameron
rattler Posted July 24, 2012 Posted July 24, 2012 Hello and yes it is I :) FITA Target at LEL and 3D Natuur at our new club in Genk (No web site yet) http://www.lel-leopoldsburg.be/j25/ :thumbup: cool, Your form looks good.:thumbup: I shot unlimited for a lot of years. Now just hunt. Used to love the FITA Field round., Ok back on topic.:thumbup:
Frostie Posted July 27, 2012 Posted July 27, 2012 What i was trying to say, is that a clean EF2000 can "supercruise" at 1.2ish, but what can it do with a useful load? for example as i stated earlier a Clean f16N(from first hand experience) can stay at mach 1.2 for extended periods of time without the use of AB. Where the F-22 can do whatever it can do mach1.6-1.8ish with a full load. If it can do that with a useful load fine cite some sources and i will admit i was wrong. Just to be clear here, Supercruise is the ability to accelerate past mach 1 with a combat loadout, not clean. Typhoon pilots have reported at least 1.3 with a combat load, most aircraft cruise at 0.7-0.9 with a combat load. "[51☭] FROSTIE" #55 'Red 5'. Lord Flashheart 51st PVO "Bisons" - 100 KIAP Regiment Fastest MiG pilot in the world - TCR'10 https://100kiap.org
komemiute Posted July 28, 2012 Posted July 28, 2012 What i was trying to say, is that a clean EF2000 can "supercruise" at 1.2ish, but what can it do with a useful load? for example as i stated earlier a Clean f16N(from first hand experience) can stay at mach 1.2 for extended periods of time without the use of AB. Where the F-22 can do whatever it can do mach1.6-1.8ish with a full load. If it can do that with a useful load fine cite some sources and i will admit i was wrong. I am a valid source. Your information are not correct. Supercruise has been achieved repeatedly with useful combat load. Up to M 1.3 . Of course you are free not to believe me. :thumbup:
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