Announcing Lock On: Flaming Cliffs 3

[jspec3]

Yep FC2 will do.

 

Nate

 

cool, thanks Nate!

[onehitxzibit]

New, advanced flight dynamics for air-to-air missiles.

Does this mean that we'll no longer have players magically dodging two or more missiles fired well within the NEZ?

[GGTharos]

No, it doesn't. And there's a reason why in RL they no longer call it the NEZ, but rather Rtr (Range turn and run)

[Sov13t]

Will the Russian birds finally have TTI counters?

[GGTharos]

Some of us asked for them but I don't know.

[overlord]

I respect your opinion, but I personally would pay every cent for it just because of the improved landing physics and 6DOF F-15C cockpit. Those 2 things alone, in my opinion, are worth the money.

+1

totally agree is too expensive for something that does nothing or almost nothing

[JABO2009]

Yes, DCSW will soon allow unlimited online play for the Su-25T, regardless of a DCS purchase. This is a new change.

 

good choice ! its crucial to have more people in MP !

[HiJack]

good choice ! its crucial to have more people in MP !

Yes it is. Hopfully they all be behaving nicly also ;)

[VAOZoky]

A-10C is 2008. That argument has been used over and over and is an excuse for features that were borked to even up the gameplay. Back on topic, are the missing radar modes being added to the F-15? I don't mind paying to bring FC into the DCS series. I think it will unify the community again. ED however should fix the things they screwed up or should have fixed in previous incarnations of the sim. I'm happy about any cockpit or graphic upgrade, but I'd prefer they fix what (IMHO) killed Fc2. 1) the ridiculously horrible performance of ARH missiles, amraam in particular. 2) flying below 20 meters making you impossible to be hit with a missile. 3) The aforementioned ECM issues ranging from the ridiculous warm up to prevent macro users to denying any kind of radar lock till within 10 miles. 4) effectiveness of beaming and how easy lock is lost. Didn't have to be a perfect beam, as long as you were within 25° of the notch it worked. Not to mention how long it took to reacquire the signal when the a/c left the notch. 5) chaff rejection is no where close to real world performance. Countermeasures in general either under or over perform depending which that you use. There are more that I'll post later but it would be nice if we could get some kind of official reply about these issues. I'd like to buy FC3 but not if it was the dog that FC2 was. LOMAC before the first patch had better weapon performance.

 

You think that amraam is the worst missile?!? And that it being underpowered killed FC2? You ser must be eather the bigest noob or the biggest troll i ever seen! :doh:

[Pilotasso]

The AMRAAM in FC2 was much improved over what we saw in FC1. They uped maximum speed from Mach 2.5 to 3'ish and that made a lot of difference (still wrong though, they usually hit Mach 4+, or more if the launcher is flying faster).

 

Now in FC3 all missiles will take in account altitude, launch speed, and gravity assist. It will be fun to see how tactics will change, low flyiers will feel compelled to fly higher.

Edited September 2, 2012 by Pilotasso

[IvanK]

How about being able to export/import FC2 keybindings into FC3 ?

[Nate--IRL--]

I haven't tried it - but it's very unlikely. Too many underlying changes.

 

Nate

[EtherealN]

Though, note that if you are using something like the Saitek profiler there might not be much needed to change in the profile, since that profiler translates your buttons/switches into keyboard commands, and most of these will be similar or the same as before. (Though I haven't checked exactly which ones may have changed.)

[Sov13t]

Haven't experimented in DCSW much... but is contrailing dynamically modeled now? or still the same?

[VAOZoky]

Haven't experimented in DCSW much... but is contrailing dynamically modeled now? or still the same?

 

same

[Opoch]

How will FC 3 aircraft interact with the current DCS:World modules? For instance, with the advent of FC 2 the radar signature of the Ka-50 was altered, effectively eliminating any return from the blades (or so that is my understanding). Are we going to have to deal with this sort of thing again?

[EtherealN]

Trev, there is no "HUD fix" in the press release. (A "fix" inticates that a bug has been solved, that's not what what we're talking about here.)

 

From the press release:

"Updated and improved HUDs and other cockpit systems."

 

Some of this you can see in the accompanying screenshots. I expect more details will be released in due course.

Edited September 2, 2012 by EtherealN

[USAFMTL]

No it won't(Hope I'm wrong),as far as I know,the F15 simulated in FC3 is pre 2000-2005,same goes with the

flanker.If they decided to give the Eagle JHMCS then they should upgrade su27 to su27M with new radar,

r77 launch capability,and AG ordenance,and so on...

 

Yeah good point but since we have the A-10C which came out in 2005 maybe there is hope. If not, no big deal just a thought.

[MadTommy]

I expect to pay for the development of FC3.. but I'm surprised at the pricing for this, probably twice what i thought it would be and should be. Being the 3rd incarnation of Flaming Cliffs.

 

IMO there should be a pricing structure that takes the previous purchases of Flaming Cliffs into account.

[manfrez01]

Re: FC3 announcement...

 

Matt et al,

 

Can you provide some clarity?

+1

 

Beyond the above "quote".

Not very clear to me the announcement, but in the end, nothing more clearer than debug.

 

 

Everything is subject to change:huh:

:smilewink:

[boris_badinov]

You think that amraam is the worst missile?!? And that it being underpowered killed FC2? You ser must be eather the bigest noob or the biggest troll i ever seen! :doh:

No response to refute my claims except to insult? How mature! Are you mad, bro? I add to my previous statement: it's childish individuals in this community such as yourself that were a large problem as well.;)

[EtherealN]

Trev, manfrez, as you can see in the screenshots, there's been a change in how the HUDs are "painted" - the FC3 aircraft have had their HUD systems reimplemented in the same system as is used in DCS aircraft; that is, instead of the old wireframe models.

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

Well, I am not impressed with FC 3. I've been buying ED's products because of Flanker, Fulcrum and Frogfoot. And I don't see anything done for those three. Importing FC 2 aircraft (already existing code) to DCS world does not make me feel spending money.

 

As mentioned earlier on this thread, the missile AFM is DCS feature, not FC 3 feature, and I don't see why is that listed as a NEW feature of FC 3?

 

It looks like FC 3 is a product for new comers.

 

Going back to reading MiG-21 manual ... :smilewink:

[Slayer]

Well, I am not impressed with FC 3. I've been buying ED's products because of Flanker, Fulcrum and Frogfoot. And I don't see anything done for those three. Importing FC 2 aircraft (already existing code) to DCS world does not make me feel spending money.

 

As mentioned earlier on this thread, the missile AFM is DCS feature, not FC 3 feature, and I don't see why is that listed as a NEW feature of FC 3?

 

It looks like FC 3 is a product for new comers.

 

Going back to reading MiG-21 manual ... :smilewink:

 

You are 100% right....per Wags post: FC3 aircraft provide an easy learning curve for new players and focuses on a broad range of aircraft rather than a detailed single aircraft.

 

No sense to let FC/FC2 die alone. Why should they not just update a few aircraft and re-release to DCSW standard so we can once again have every ED product multiplayer compatible. If MP isn't your thing and you already own FC2 well the updated F15 is still a semi decent reason to upgrade...

Edited September 2, 2012 by Slayer

[EtherealN]

Veljko, you seem to not have read this thread (understandable given it's size), so I'll reiterate:

 

1) The missile AFM was developed specifically for FC3. No FC3, no missile AFM.

2) All aircraft have seen attention in several aspects.

2b) This includes reimplementation of HUDs, systems overhauls (though true, not everyone's pet peeve made the cut), etcetera etcetera.

3) "Importing FC 2 aircraft" is not a matter of just copy-pasting some documents into a file structure. If you believe it is, go ahead an do it yourself. ;) (I'm being facetious there of course, you can't - that's the point; as you know, FC2 was actually not made with the DCS World modular system in mind. That means, to get them in there ED needed to do a lot of work to port that code over to the new modular codebase.)

 

Nothing is free in software development, and even things that look simple from the outside can require quite a bit of work.