Sov13t Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 And the F-15C modeled in sim isn't of a specific model. It has a range of tech that really isn't very time period specific. Until ED decides what period of F-15C they have built, I don't think realism is much of a factor when it comes to implementing missile systems. That being said, I don't think that they will. Who knows though, I could get pleasantly surprised. And then the forums will crash from too much Russian whining. So, let's model an SU-27 not from a "specific period" as well... and then we will see whose whining will make the forums crash. You F-15 fanbois are so easy, dual standards for everything. :music_whistling: 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 51st PVO Regiment | Forum | Statistics DCS: MiG-21Bis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blkspade Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Yes, and no, the F-15 turns faster than the Russian birds (faster, not tighter), so should be able to stay behind the bandit's line, making the R-73 pretty useless (it can't fire backwards). As for historical accuracy, if F-16C Blk. 30's can get the new HMS, I am pretty sure that F-15C's would be able to use them. And the F-15C modeled in sim isn't of a specific model. It has a range of tech that really isn't very time period specific. Until ED decides what period of F-15C they have built, I don't think realism is much of a factor when it comes to implementing missile systems. That being said, I don't think that they will. Who knows though, I could get pleasantly surprised. And then the forums will crash from too much Russian whining. You think people have a problem with mad dogging now? :D I wasn't originally suggesting that those components be added to the F-15, just combating Frostie's statement of adding another "21st century" US jet against 20th century Russian. As it stands the F-15C isn't modeled to any time period, but the combination of components are seemingly pre 2000, thus still 20th century. So an F-18C with the same kind of tech mash-up would still fit the criteria of 20th century. http://104thphoenix.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilotasso Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 So, let's model an SU-27 not from a "specific period" as well... and then we will see whose whining will make the forums crash. You F-15 fanbois are so easy, dual standards for everything. :music_whistling: Generalizing= BAD. If you had any reason behind your comments, you lost it the moment you expressed it. [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic4448_29.gif[/sigpic] My PC specs below:Case: Corsair 400C PSU: SEASONIC SS-760XP2 760W Platinum CPU: AMD RYZEN 3900X (12C/24T) RAM: 32 GB 4266Mhz (two 2x8 kits) of trident Z RGB @3600Mhz CL 14 CR=1T MOBO: ASUS CROSSHAIR HERO VI AM4 GFX: GTX 1080Ti MSI Gaming X Cooler: NXZT Kraken X62 280mm AIO Storage: Samsung 960 EVO 1TB M.2+6GB WD 6Gb red HOTAS: Thrustmaster Warthog + CH pro pedals Monitor: Gigabyte AORUS AD27QD Freesync HDR400 1440P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyroflash Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 So, let's model an SU-27 not from a "specific period" as well... and then we will see whose whining will make the forums crash. You F-15 fanbois are so easy, dual standards for everything. :music_whistling: I for one would welcome an F-15C Golden Eagle Vs. an Su-35BM. I think it would be an interesting fight. If you aim for the sky, you will never hit the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4c Hajduk Veljko Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Anybody knows what new features Wags is talking about? Why is Wags not listing them? http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=94515 Thermaltake Kandalf LCS | Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R | Etasis ET750 (850W Max) | i7-920 OC to 4.0 GHz | Gigabyte HD5850 | OCZ Gold 6GB DDR3 2000 | 2 X 30GB OCZ Vertex SSD in RAID 0 | ASUS VW266H 25.5" | LG Blue Ray 10X burner | TIR 5 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Logitech G930 | Saitek Pro flight rudder pedals | Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
159th_Falcon Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Cause he's teasing us, like he usually does.:D [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] The keeper of all mathematical knowledge and the oracle of flight modeling.:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyroflash Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Anybody knows what new features Wags is talking about? Why is Wags not listing them? http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=94515 probably because the ED team themselves are not sure of which "new features" will actually make the final cut. 1 If you aim for the sky, you will never hit the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate--IRL-- Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 probably because the ED team themselves are not sure of which "new features" will actually make the final cut. Bingo. Nate Ka-50 AutoPilot/stabilisation system description and operation by IvanK- Essential Reading Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostie Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 (edited) About the mig variants, thats why I said "Depending on how you choose to count" Define 21st century, because everything in the FC version of the F-15C is tech designed, tested and operational pre-2000. I don't think anyone which revision of the 120C is in game, not that they are modeled with 100% accuracy anyway, first made available in 1996. The newest tech is probably the TEWS, also depending on which version is modeled. According to the stats I'm more effective with the AIM-7s anyway. You're certainly not struggling to defend yourself against F-15s. If we had AESA radar, JHMCS, and AIM9x then things would be more 21st century. The latter 2 alone would put the F15C on par with the Russian jets capabilites WVR. An F-18C with similar revisional limitations to the Eagle doesn't seem unreasonable. The AIM-120C5 in FC2 is a 21st century weapon. Russian 21st century Flankers and Fulcrums use TWS and ARH. TWS is a decider in most engagements, Russian aircraft that were updated to use ARH misslies in the 20th century had TWS, FC's Flanker is amongst the oldest variant and this is not going to change in FC because of the presentation of the cockpit. The F-15 on the other hand looks exactly the same as it did even before the MSIP II upgrade, so the freedom to pick from whichever era is there, 80's, 90's, 2000, take your pick. The Su-27S is an 80's/90's at best aircraft. JHMCS for F-15's wasn't until 2006, AIM-9x was much later and as for AESA radars there's barely a handful of F-15C's at Elmendorf fitted with them. I was semi-joking about the favoratism, but at least one of your missions has EWR on the red side allowing you to see inbound bandits on your datalink, not needing radar until you're right on top of them. No blue AWACS, which I know works differently from EWR, but no blue forces have EWR. Which reminds me of something else missing from the "21st century" F15C, datalink. Only one mission has EWR on Red and that barely covers Red airspace. This was changed with a similair mission by removing EWR and adding Su-27's on blue also. It could also be said that the 80's mission is favoured for F-15's with AIM-7s outranging R-27R's. That is one good reason why AIM-7 stats are so high. Edited September 28, 2012 by Frostie "[51☭] FROSTIE" #55 51st PVO "BISONS" Fastest MiG pilot in the world - TCR'10 https://100kiap.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 (edited) The AIM-120C5 in FC2 is a 21st century weapon. Russian 21st century Flankers and Fulcrums use TWS and ARH. TWS is a decider in most engagements, Russian aircraft that were updated to use ARH misslies in the 20th century had TWS, FC's Flanker is amongst the oldest variant and this is not going to change in FC because of the presentation of the cockpit. The F-15 on the other hand looks exactly the same as it did even before the MSIP II upgrade, so the freedom to pick from whichever era is there, 80's, 90's, 2000, take your pick. The Su-27S is an 80's/90's at best aircraft. JHMCS for F-15's wasn't until 2006, AIM-9x was much later and as for AESA radars there's barely a handful of F-15C's at Elmendorf fitted with them. Actually that isn't the case. Golden Eagles are fitted with things most people don't know about. This includes AESA, JHMCS, a new processor and cockpit (so I hear), MLWS, JTIDS, and even some IRST's. It's rather hard to find a cockpit picture of a golden eagle ... I haven't found one yet. Though I also hear that not all eagles will be golden ... about 170 or so will be converted (The conversion has been ongoing for some time). Elmendorf seems to get the toys first for testing. It would have been more correct that there were a bunch of data-link birds belonging to Elmendorf in some time-frame, because AESA was funded for golden eagles very quickly after the Elmendorf birds tried them out. The eagle represented in FC isn't even a 1990's eagle ... they had 8 TWS since the 80's. Well, it isn't an 'anything' eagle, really. There's no specific featureset pinning it to any era, but it's definitely nothing like a 21st century eagle. Or even a 90's eagle ... or an 80's eagle ... just too much stuff missing. At the same time, Russian flankers and fulcrums aren't known for packing ARH; I could see Chinese and Indian ones doing so ... maybe even the Venezuelans! :) If you want to base your argument on the 120, that's something else. The machines themselves though are well ... FC level. :) Edited September 28, 2012 by GGTharos [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostie Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Actually that isn't the case. Golden Eagles are fitted with things most people don't know about. This includes AESA, JHMCS, a new processor and cockpit (so I hear), MLWS, JTIDS, and even some IRST's. It's rather hard to find a cockpit picture of a golden eagle ... I haven't found one yet. Though I also hear that not all eagles will be golden ... about 170 or so will be converted (The conversion has been ongoing for some time). Elmendorf seems to get the toys first for testing. It would have been more correct that there were a bunch of data-link birds belonging to Elmendorf in some time-frame, because AESA was funded for golden eagles very quickly after the Elmendorf birds tried them out. The eagle represented in FC isn't even a 1990's eagle ... they had 8 TWS since the 80's. Well, it isn't an 'anything' eagle, really. There's no specific featureset pinning it to any era, but it's definitely nothing like a 21st century eagle. Or even a 90's eagle ... or an 80's eagle ... just too much stuff missing. At the same time, Russian flankers and fulcrums aren't known for packing ARH; I could see Chinese and Indian ones doing so ... maybe even the Venezuelans! :) If you want to base your argument on the 120, that's something else. The machines themselves though are well ... FC level. :) The limited functions of all aircraft in FC has been well documented and you're right the F-15 is FC era which means nothing. They're certainly not Golden Eagles in FC but they are employing 21stcentury weapons, unlike anything else in FC. I think there are 18 AESA Eagles at Elemendorf. "[51☭] FROSTIE" #55 51st PVO "BISONS" Fastest MiG pilot in the world - TCR'10 https://100kiap.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 (edited) The limited functions of all aircraft in FC has been well documented and you're right the F-15 is FC era which means nothing. They're certainly not Golden Eagles in FC but they are employing 21stcentury weapons, unlike anything else in FC. Like I said, if you want to argue the 120 that's another thing, but that's an argument that goes nowhere as well. Modern Russian flankers don't use ARH anyway (Of course, they COULD if they had'em ... ) I think there are 18 AESA Eagles at Elemendorf.Yes, that is the size of that squadron. I think it's between 18 and 24 usually for USAF FS's. As I mentioned they seem to get toys first, but AESAs (along with other things, these are entire upgrade suites in this case, AFAIK) have been getting retrofitted to many eagles for a while now. It's an on-going upgrade. Edited September 28, 2012 by GGTharos [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiJack Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 :thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
159th_Falcon Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Sure is a TEASER. Damn you Wags. Thanx for the vid anyways though, looks good. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] The keeper of all mathematical knowledge and the oracle of flight modeling.:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilotasso Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Probably early beta because I dont detect MAFM in those sidwinders. [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic4448_29.gif[/sigpic] My PC specs below:Case: Corsair 400C PSU: SEASONIC SS-760XP2 760W Platinum CPU: AMD RYZEN 3900X (12C/24T) RAM: 32 GB 4266Mhz (two 2x8 kits) of trident Z RGB @3600Mhz CL 14 CR=1T MOBO: ASUS CROSSHAIR HERO VI AM4 GFX: GTX 1080Ti MSI Gaming X Cooler: NXZT Kraken X62 280mm AIO Storage: Samsung 960 EVO 1TB M.2+6GB WD 6Gb red HOTAS: Thrustmaster Warthog + CH pro pedals Monitor: Gigabyte AORUS AD27QD Freesync HDR400 1440P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted September 28, 2012 ED Team Share Posted September 28, 2012 27 seconds, should keep us going for another 6 months, thanks Wags :) Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luza Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Nice teaser, it's appreciated Wags :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLANKERATOR Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 The feeling of speed is definitely better...OKAY it's coming :D Situational Awareness: https://sa-sim.com/ | The Air Combat Dojo: https://discord.gg/Rz77eFj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyroflash Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 The feeling of speed is definitely better...OKAY it's coming :D Do you feel the need? 'Cuz I feel the need, the.. Oh forget it :P If you aim for the sky, you will never hit the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neroroxxx Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 way to tease! lol Nero 27" iMac, 3.4GHz i7 Quad Core, 16GB Ram, AMD Radeon HD 6970M 2Gb, Running Bootcamp, Windows 7 Home 64bit, Saitek X-52 Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLANKERATOR Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Do you feel the need? 'Cuz I feel the need, the.. Oh forget it :P Nah I wanna say it : "The neeeed for SPEEEED !" I feel better now ;) Situational Awareness: https://sa-sim.com/ | The Air Combat Dojo: https://discord.gg/Rz77eFj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Glowing_Amraam Posted September 28, 2012 ED Team Share Posted September 28, 2012 And I'm the one beeing called a teaser? :D Nice one Matt! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgJRhtnqA-67pKmQ3A2GsgA ED youtube channel https://www.facebook.com/glowingamraam My facebook page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiJack Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Just can't stop watching that short but awesome video! Great one Wags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyroflash Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 I'm just happy that the annoying "shoot, shoot" sound has been removed \o/ P.S. Now I've jinxed it. Please don't put that back in there. If you aim for the sky, you will never hit the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Lock91 Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Perdy weird seeing everything zoom by so fast. We may actually get into something that flies faster than a modern day fart. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "If they can make penicillin out of moldy bread, they can certainly make something out of you" -Muhammad Ali WIN 7 64-bit SP1 | AMD Phenom II X4 955 | 8.0 GB RAM | NVidia GeForce GTX 550Ti | CH Pro Throttle | CH Fighterstick | CH Pro Pedals | TrackIR5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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